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Marland wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: 007 returned to service today; finishing early at 1800 AIUI in order to allow the 484 to continue test running. Initially there were reports the line was closing again for the weekend for engineering work but 007 looking very smart took up duties this morning. Unfortunately it failed late morning and is back in the depot. Well, the unit was running yesterday though for much of the day the local travel bulletins said there was a replacement bus service so there may have been both options till the buses were stood down later in the day. Today it was the usual “ Island line service suspended, replacement buses running” from the travel bulletin. Power supply problems mentioned as the cause on bulletins heard later, Does the 484 take more juice I wonder and strained the life expired electrical equipment on an overnight test? Incidentally the unit which emerged from overhaul and looks likely to be the final torchbearer for the tube stock has acquired a staff bestowed name sticker as a nod to the recently retired depot manager who oversaw keeping these going with minimal resources for years. Is carrying a name albeit a probably unofficial one a first for a tube train? The full gauge Met locos had them of course but I cannot recall anything tube sized, a possible candidate may have been the steam loco that worked on extending the lines to Morden, Cockfosters and the Central Eastwards that was known by the name Brazil after the class name Kerr Stuart gave to the design but the few photos around only seem to show a builders plate not a nameplate. https://transportsofdelight.smugmug....ES/i-xfmN5HM/A It was basically a standard gauge version of a narrow gauge design several examples of which can still be seen at places like the Sittingbourne and Kemsley Looking at the picture I bet the crew suffered from back ache after a shift. GH |
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Marland wrote:
Marland wrote: Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: 007 returned to service today; finishing early at 1800 AIUI in order to allow the 484 to continue test running. Initially there were reports the line was closing again for the weekend for engineering work but 007 looking very smart took up duties this morning. Unfortunately it failed late morning and is back in the depot. Well, the unit was running yesterday though for much of the day the local travel bulletins said there was a replacement bus service so there may have been both options till the buses were stood down later in the day. Today it was the usual “ Island line service suspended, replacement buses running” from the travel bulletin. Power supply problems mentioned as the cause on bulletins heard later, Does the 484 take more juice I wonder and strained the life expired electrical equipment on an overnight test? Incidentally the unit which emerged from overhaul and looks likely to be the final torchbearer for the tube stock has acquired a staff bestowed name sticker as a nod to the recently retired depot manager who oversaw keeping these going with minimal resources for years. Is carrying a name albeit a probably unofficial one a first for a tube train? The full gauge Met locos had them of course but I cannot recall anything tube sized, LU's 14 Schöma diesels, used on JLE construction and then works trains, 10 of which have been reengineered as battery locos, carry/carried names https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_diesel_locomotives a possible candidate may have been the steam loco that worked on extending the lines to Morden, Cockfosters and the Central Eastwards that was known by the name Brazil after the class name Kerr Stuart gave to the design but the few photos around only seem to show a builders plate not a nameplate. https://transportsofdelight.smugmug....ES/i-xfmN5HM/A It was basically a standard gauge version of a narrow gauge design several examples of which can still be seen at places like the Sittingbourne and Kemsley Looking at the picture I bet the crew suffered from back ache after a shift. Off-topic for this thread but a controversy apparently reared its head recently regarding a proposal to put a normal size cab on this ex-Harrogate Gas Works loco https://www.mattditch.photography/blog/the-history-of-barber (read the comments here!- https://www.facebook.com/groups/narrowgauge/permalink/5023624207649567/ ) Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 21:08:10 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote: Marland wrote: Marland wrote: Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: 007 returned to service today; finishing early at 1800 AIUI in order to allow the 484 to continue test running. Initially there were reports the line was closing again for the weekend for engineering work but 007 looking very smart took up duties this morning. Unfortunately it failed late morning and is back in the depot. Well, the unit was running yesterday though for much of the day the local travel bulletins said there was a replacement bus service so there may have been both options till the buses were stood down later in the day. Today it was the usual Island line service suspended, replacement buses running from the travel bulletin. Power supply problems mentioned as the cause on bulletins heard later, Does the 484 take more juice I wonder and strained the life expired electrical equipment on an overnight test? Incidentally the unit which emerged from overhaul and looks likely to be the final torchbearer for the tube stock has acquired a staff bestowed name sticker as a nod to the recently retired depot manager who oversaw keeping these going with minimal resources for years. Is carrying a name albeit a probably unofficial one a first for a tube train? The full gauge Met locos had them of course but I cannot recall anything tube sized, LU's 14 Schma diesels, used on JLE construction and then works trains, 10 of which have been reengineered as battery locos, carry/carried names https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_diesel_locomotives a possible candidate may have been the steam loco that worked on extending the lines to Morden, Cockfosters and the Central Eastwards that was known by the name Brazil after the class name Kerr Stuart gave to the design but the few photos around only seem to show a builders plate not a nameplate. https://transportsofdelight.smugmug....ES/i-xfmN5HM/A It was basically a standard gauge version of a narrow gauge design several examples of which can still be seen at places like the Sittingbourne and Kemsley Looking at the picture I bet the crew suffered from back ache after a shift. Off-topic for this thread but a controversy apparently reared its head recently regarding a proposal to put a normal size cab on this ex-Harrogate Gas Works loco https://www.mattditch.photography/blog/the-history-of-barber (read the comments here!- https://www.facebook.com/groups/narrowgauge/permalink/5023624207649567/ ) Anna Noyd-Dryver The Met had some small locomotives inherited from the Brill tramway, including a Manning Wardle named "Huddersfield". There was also the elusive "Nellie", another Manning Wardle, which shunted coal wagons for Neasden power station, over a bridge that couldn't take anything heavier. |
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On 15/12/2020 18:59, Jeremy Double wrote:
The EU mandated separation of infrastructure from train operation, following the pattern established in the UK by privatisation. Sweden was first. And lots of different models were used; there was the German model of DB having operations and infrastucture units within one holding company, or the French model of separating things out then subcontracting the separated stuff back again to comply with the letter if not the spirit of the rules. Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU... Did NI Railways ever get - at least nominally - vertically separated? They had a derogation, but it was due to run out, and AFAIK "vertically separating NU Railways" was on the priority to-do list for literally no-one anywhere. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On 15 Dec 2020 18:59:36 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote: Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU... Irrelevant. Brexit was about immigration pure and simple. If that clown Blair hadn't opened the flood gates to all the Igors and Olgas the minute the grasping east european countries joined and immediately held out their palms for silver I doubt Brexit would have happened. It is amusing however how all the Remoaners were claiming the sky would fall the minute they all started to leave yet now if you go into a Costa most of the staff are the British kids who were never given a chance before. Also all the east european security staff in my local supermarket have cleared off and been replaced by Brits. Brexit - so far - is working. |
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On 15 Dec 2020 18:59:36 GMT Jeremy Double wrote: Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU... Irrelevant. Brexit was about immigration pure and simple. If that clown Blair hadn't opened the flood gates to all the Igors and Olgas the minute the grasping east european countries joined and immediately held out their palms for silver I doubt Brexit would have happened. It is amusing however how all the Remoaners were claiming the sky would fall the minute they all started to leave yet now if you go into a Costa most of the staff are the British kids who were never given a chance before. Also all the east european security staff in my local supermarket have cleared off and been replaced by Brits. Brexit - so far - is working. Be interesting to have a closer study at who those Kids are, the current plague has so distorted jobs and the economy that the effect of Brexit and what might have been or not cannot accurately be quantified but one thing that appears to have been happening is the number of people not just young who were employed or aspiring to a professional career whose expectations have been curtailed. Rather than sit on their arses many have adopted the any port in a storm approach to getting some income and gone for service jobs in catering or parcel delivery which they hope will be a temporary interlude. One I know just sighs and says she expected to be doing such work on her gap year but thought it would be in Sydney or Melbourne not Wiltshire. Meanwhile those whose background means they were always less motivated some of whom never had expectations of having to work for a living because getting up a midday drinking a few cans of beer and taking a few drugs and doing a little dealing are still doing that ,they haven’t flocked to fill the positions left by Europeans returning home. Once C19 is brought to a controllable state it will be interesting to see if the more motivated people do resume into more professional careers and less the motivated or aspirational start to fill them, that may mean the likes of Costa etc may have to pay more to make working worthwhile compared to social support, even as a generally EU supporter I would agree the sudden influx of people who could live on low wages knowing that if it all went pear shaped they could return home to a less crowded country where the cost of living was less distorted our job market for low earners. GH |
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Marland wrote:
wrote: On 15 Dec 2020 18:59:36 GMT Jeremy Double wrote: Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU... Irrelevant. Brexit was about immigration pure and simple. If that clown Blair hadn't opened the flood gates to all the Igors and Olgas the minute the grasping east european countries joined and immediately held out their palms for silver I doubt Brexit would have happened. It is amusing however how all the Remoaners were claiming the sky would fall the minute they all started to leave yet now if you go into a Costa most of the staff are the British kids who were never given a chance before. Also all the east european security staff in my local supermarket have cleared off and been replaced by Brits. Brexit - so far - is working. Be interesting to have a closer study at who those Kids are, the current plague has so distorted jobs and the economy that the effect of Brexit and what might have been or not cannot accurately be quantified but one thing that appears to have been happening is the number of people not just young who were employed or aspiring to a professional career whose expectations have been curtailed. Rather than sit on their arses many have adopted the any port in a storm approach to getting some income and gone for service jobs in catering or parcel delivery which they hope will be a temporary interlude. One I know just sighs and says she expected to be doing such work on her gap year but thought it would be in Sydney or Melbourne not Wiltshire. Meanwhile those whose background means they were always less motivated some of whom never had expectations of having to work for a living because getting up a midday drinking a few cans of beer and taking a few drugs and doing a little dealing are still doing that ,they haven’t flocked to fill the positions left by Europeans returning home. Once C19 is brought to a controllable state it will be interesting to see if the more motivated people do resume into more professional careers and less the motivated or aspirational start to fill them, that may mean the likes of Costa etc may have to pay more to make working worthwhile compared to social support, even as a generally EU supporter I would agree the sudden influx of people who could live on low wages knowing that if it all went pear shaped they could return home to a less crowded country where the cost of living was less distorted our job market for low earners. There's been a big drop in hospitality jobs this year, so many of those departing young East Europeans won't have been replaced: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/record-number-of-redundancies-as-restrictions-bite-vkql9sbvp?shareToken=250039b89d1d619f204b901bf7eaa f52 I wonder what will happen next year, when life returns to the hospitality and travel industries? Who will they recruit for the minimum wage jobs? |
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On 16 Dec 2020 11:01:26 GMT
Marland wrote: wrote: On 15 Dec 2020 18:59:36 GMT Jeremy Double wrote: Of course, the UK never had any influence in the EU... Irrelevant. Brexit was about immigration pure and simple. If that clown Blair hadn't opened the flood gates to all the Igors and Olgas the minute the grasping east european countries joined and immediately held out their palms for silver I doubt Brexit would have happened. It is amusing however how all the Remoaners were claiming the sky would fall the minute they all started to leave yet now if you go into a Costa most of the staff are the British kids who were never given a chance before. Also all the east european security staff in my local supermarket have cleared off and been replaced by Brits. Brexit - so far - is working. Be interesting to have a closer study at who those Kids are, the current plague has so distorted jobs and the economy that the effect of Brexit and what might have been or not cannot accurately be quantified but one thing that appears to have been happening is the number of people not just young who were employed or aspiring to a professional career whose expectations have been curtailed. Quite possibly, but I've heard numerous anecdotal reports on the radio and elsewhere of British kids in the past who applied to these sorts of jobs and were turned down in preference of EU workers. I can only presume because if you're an immigrant you're less likely to complain about conditions and are happy to work for lower wages plus you'll probably leave soon anyway before there's any chance of you becoming confident enough to lodge any complaints. Meanwhile those whose background means they were always less motivated some of whom never had expectations of having to work for a living because getting up a midday drinking a few cans of beer and taking a few drugs and doing a little dealing are still doing that ,they haven’t flocked to fill the positions left by Europeans returning home. Every country has those sorts , the UK isn't unique in that respect. But there are 70 million people in this country (hopefully a few million less by this time next year) most of whom need to work. would agree the sudden influx of people who could live on low wages knowing that if it all went pear shaped they could return home to a less crowded country where the cost of living was less And sent a large proportion of the money they earned home so the UK economy lost that benefit. |
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On 16/12/2020 11:22, Recliner wrote:
There's been a big drop in hospitality jobs this year, so many of those departing young East Europeans won't have been replaced: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/record-number-of-redundancies-as-restrictions-bite-vkql9sbvp?shareToken=250039b89d1d619f204b901bf7eaa f52 I wonder what will happen next year, when life returns to the hospitality and travel industries? Who will they recruit for the minimum wage jobs? We will still have the option of allowing in workers from selected EU or non-EU countries if their presence would benefit the UK economy. |
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