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On 5 Jan 2021 09:46:34 GMT
Marland wrote: Recliner wrote: The official version is up: https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year? Have the contractors been packed off home to save them from the geriatrics virus or are they still working? |
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Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 16/12/2020 10:41, Recliner wrote: Geoff celebrates the belated return of Thameslink to TfL's Tube Map, after a long absence. And it's not just the core section, but as much as fits in the extended zones. So the map now features over 500 stations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5SQcdC48o The map itself is not on the TfL site yet, but curiously is available at https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...test-tube-map/ They've left Hadley Wood off, despite it being in Zone 6. The kink in the Thameslink Line between City TL and the junction north of St Pancras seems inexplicable. The Bakerloo Line shouldn't enter Elephant at the same angle that the Denmark Hill branch leaves. Maidenhead and Reading are still portrayed north of the Thames! The official version is up: https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year? If so then this edition of the map will have a short lifetime, in fact I’m surprised the extension isn’t on there in some way even if it was shown as a dotted or dashed line with an “opening soon” addendum. Previous maps in the past have done so , it maybe TFL doesn’t want to repeat the example of the never completed Northern Heights extensions which appeared on maps and route diagrams before the scheme was abandoned. I don’t think that will happen to the Battersea one especially as trains under their own power have been doing testing runs in the past few weeks but could opening be put back due to the C word. Yes, I believe it's still due to open this year and, as you say, test trains started running last month. The stations appear near-complete at platform level. TfL just says, "The extension is scheduled to be completed in autumn 2021". Note the careful use of the word 'completed' as opposed to 'open'. I don't know if there's any dependency on the surface development projects for the stations to open? For example, the Battersea Power Station Station is incorporated in one of the new surface blocks, which may need to be finished before the LU station can open. So, even if the LU work is all complete, there could still be a delay before the public opening. Presumably there will be another edition of the map by then? In any case, it would perhaps mislead people to show it on maps many months before it opens. |
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On 5 Jan 2021 09:46:34 GMT Marland wrote: Recliner wrote: The official version is up: https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year? Have the contractors been packed off home to save them from the geriatrics virus or are they still working? You can see them working in this photo: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq4VGfoXIAE3qrb?format=jpg&name=large |
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On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 10:08:40 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote: wrote: On 5 Jan 2021 09:46:34 GMT Marland wrote: Recliner wrote: The official version is up: https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year? Have the contractors been packed off home to save them from the geriatrics virus or are they still working? You can see them working in this photo: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq4VGfoXIAE3qrb?format=jpg&name=large Will they still be there tommorow though. I'm sure if they had a choice they would be but safety culture and the current hysteria being what it is I wouldn't be surprised if things were shut down. |
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Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 16/12/2020 10:41, Recliner wrote: Geoff celebrates the belated return of Thameslink to TfL's Tube Map, after a long absence. And it's not just the core section, but as much as fits in the extended zones. So the map now features over 500 stations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5SQcdC48o The map itself is not on the TfL site yet, but curiously is available at https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...test-tube-map/ They've left Hadley Wood off, despite it being in Zone 6. The kink in the Thameslink Line between City TL and the junction north of St Pancras seems inexplicable. The Bakerloo Line shouldn't enter Elephant at the same angle that the Denmark Hill branch leaves. Maidenhead and Reading are still portrayed north of the Thames! The official version is up: https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year? If so then this edition of the map will have a short lifetime, in fact I’m surprised the extension isn’t on there in some way even if it was shown as a dotted or dashed line with an “opening soon” addendum. Previous maps in the past have done so , it maybe TFL doesn’t want to repeat the example of the never completed Northern Heights extensions which appeared on maps and route diagrams before the scheme was abandoned. I don’t think that will happen to the Battersea one especially as trains under their own power have been doing testing runs in the past few weeks but could opening be put back due to the C word. https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/tag/northern-line-extension/ Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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On 05/01/2021 10:07, Recliner wrote:
Yes, I believe it's still due to open this year and, as you say, test trains started running last month. The stations appear near-complete at platform level. TfL just says, "The extension is scheduled to be completed in autumn 2021". Note the careful use of the word 'completed' as opposed to 'open'. I don't know if there's any dependency on the surface development projects for the stations to open? For example, the Battersea Power Station Station is incorporated in one of the new surface blocks, which may need to be finished before the LU station can open. So, even if the LU work is all complete, there could still be a delay before the public opening. Presumably there will be another edition of the map by then? In any case, it would perhaps mislead people to show it on maps many months before it opens. Extensions under construction have been shown on tube maps much more recently than the Northern Heights and Denham debacles. You want people to move to the area and be waiting to commute on your opening day. That might not be so relevant for Crossrail but it is relevant for Battersea. I presume the "test trains" are extensions of passenger services? Are they making a real effort to throw people off at Kennington? Do all the trains go there or do some still go around the Kennington loop? Are there still Morden via Charing Cross trains? -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to Meat Puppets - 1999 - You Love Me EP |
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Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Marland wrote: Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 16/12/2020 10:41, Recliner wrote: Geoff celebrates the belated return of Thameslink to TfL's Tube Map, after a long absence. And it's not just the core section, but as much as fits in the extended zones. So the map now features over 500 stations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5SQcdC48o The map itself is not on the TfL site yet, but curiously is available at https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...test-tube-map/ They've left Hadley Wood off, despite it being in Zone 6. The kink in the Thameslink Line between City TL and the junction north of St Pancras seems inexplicable. The Bakerloo Line shouldn't enter Elephant at the same angle that the Denmark Hill branch leaves. Maidenhead and Reading are still portrayed north of the Thames! The official version is up: https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year? If so then this edition of the map will have a short lifetime, in fact I’m surprised the extension isn’t on there in some way even if it was shown as a dotted or dashed line with an “opening soon” addendum. Previous maps in the past have done so , it maybe TFL doesn’t want to repeat the example of the never completed Northern Heights extensions which appeared on maps and route diagrams before the scheme was abandoned. I don’t think that will happen to the Battersea one especially as trains under their own power have been doing testing runs in the past few weeks but could opening be put back due to the C word. https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/tag/northern-line-extension/ It occurs to me that Crossrail also has an unofficial, internal target to start running passenger services through the central tunnels this autumn, subject to the imminent trial running (ie, simulated full passenger service) going well. So there's a possibility that both could open at about the same time — I wonder if TfL might seek to do so on the same day, or deliberately stagger them? |
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On 05/01/2021 10:53, Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: Marland wrote: Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 16/12/2020 10:41, Recliner wrote: Geoff celebrates the belated return of Thameslink to TfL's Tube Map, after a long absence. And it's not just the core section, but as much as fits in the extended zones. So the map now features over 500 stations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5SQcdC48o The map itself is not on the TfL site yet, but curiously is available at https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...test-tube-map/ They've left Hadley Wood off, despite it being in Zone 6. The kink in the Thameslink Line between City TL and the junction north of St Pancras seems inexplicable. The Bakerloo Line shouldn't enter Elephant at the same angle that the Denmark Hill branch leaves. Maidenhead and Reading are still portrayed north of the Thames! The official version is up: https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year? If so then this edition of the map will have a short lifetime, in fact I’m surprised the extension isn’t on there in some way even if it was shown as a dotted or dashed line with an “opening soon” addendum. Previous maps in the past have done so , it maybe TFL doesn’t want to repeat the example of the never completed Northern Heights extensions which appeared on maps and route diagrams before the scheme was abandoned. I don’t think that will happen to the Battersea one especially as trains under their own power have been doing testing runs in the past few weeks but could opening be put back due to the C word. https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/tag/northern-line-extension/ It occurs to me that Crossrail also has an unofficial, internal target to start running passenger services through the central tunnels this autumn, subject to the imminent trial running (ie, simulated full passenger service) going well. So there's a possibility that both could open at about the same time — I wonder if TfL might seek to do so on the same day, or deliberately stagger them? I suspect TfL will open them without prior announcement, especially if Covid is still around. |
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On 05/01/2021 10:53, Recliner wrote: Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: Marland wrote: Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 16/12/2020 10:41, Recliner wrote: Geoff celebrates the belated return of Thameslink to TfL's Tube Map, after a long absence. And it's not just the core section, but as much as fits in the extended zones. So the map now features over 500 stations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5SQcdC48o The map itself is not on the TfL site yet, but curiously is available at https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/202...test-tube-map/ They've left Hadley Wood off, despite it being in Zone 6. The kink in the Thameslink Line between City TL and the junction north of St Pancras seems inexplicable. The Bakerloo Line shouldn't enter Elephant at the same angle that the Denmark Hill branch leaves. Maidenhead and Reading are still portrayed north of the Thames! The official version is up: https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this year? If so then this edition of the map will have a short lifetime, in fact I’m surprised the extension isn’t on there in some way even if it was shown as a dotted or dashed line with an “opening soon” addendum. Previous maps in the past have done so , it maybe TFL doesn’t want to repeat the example of the never completed Northern Heights extensions which appeared on maps and route diagrams before the scheme was abandoned. I don’t think that will happen to the Battersea one especially as trains under their own power have been doing testing runs in the past few weeks but could opening be put back due to the C word. https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/tag/northern-line-extension/ It occurs to me that Crossrail also has an unofficial, internal target to start running passenger services through the central tunnels this autumn, subject to the imminent trial running (ie, simulated full passenger service) going well. So there's a possibility that both could open at about the same time — I wonder if TfL might seek to do so on the same day, or deliberately stagger them? I suspect TfL will open them without prior announcement, especially if Covid is still around. I don't think Covid will be a factor by the autumn. It'll still be around, but less of a bother than winter flu. Crossrail, of course, is opening in a number of phases, and the version that might just open this autumn won't be the full service. For example, there won't be through trains from the western arm, and the tunnel might initially only see trains from Abbey Wood. Those two remaining links may open next year. They presumably hope HM will perform the opening ceremony when "One's" line is formally opened under its official brand. I assume the Elizabeth Line name will be used once the central tunnel and new stations are opened, even if all the sections don't yet have through services. So that could happen this autumn. |
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"Recliner" wrote in message
... They presumably hope HM will perform the opening ceremony when "One's" line is formally opened under its official brand. I assume the Elizabeth Line name will be used once the central tunnel and new stations are opened, even if all the sections don't yet have through services. So that could happen this autumn. I wonder how many people will use the name "Elizabeth Line" in normal parlance, compared with those that call it "Crossrail [Line]". I bet it gets abbreviated to "Liz Line" ;-) |
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