"Stuart" wrote in message
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Gary Jenkins wrote:

During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was
advising passengers to carry bottled water with them.

As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras
without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. Have the
operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their
destination within a reasonable time?

Might be a good idea if they put vending machins selling bottled water
on the tube rather than the endless chocolate and sugary fizzy drink.

They have...
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On 26 May 2004 01:41:32 -0700, (Gary Jenkins)
wrote:

During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was
advising passengers to carry bottled water with them.

As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras
without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. Have the
operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their
destination within a reasonable time?

No but the very serious incident at Highbury and Islington caused the
whole issue to be reviewed. AIUI provision of appropriate advice when
there is hot weather is part of the recommendations from the
investigation.
--
Paul C


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"Gary Jenkins" wrote in message
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During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was
advising passengers to carry bottled water with them.

As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras
without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. Have the
operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their
destination within a reasonable time?

For the last two summers, bottled water was being handed out at many central
tube stations free of charge in the mornings, although I strongly suspect
that this gesture was entirely at the expense of Volvic/Evian/Whoever,
rather than being a LU or TFL-sponsored thing ....

Matt

Last year our mate Ken made lots of noises about requiring TfL to get on
with cooling the tube, etc. It all seems to have gone quiet - anyone
know whether any progress has been made?

John

In article , M J Forbes
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"Gary Jenkins" wrote in message
. com...
During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was
advising passengers to carry bottled water with them.

As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras
without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. Have the
operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their
destination within a reasonable time?

For the last two summers, bottled water was being handed out at many central
tube stations free of charge in the mornings, although I strongly suspect
that this gesture was entirely at the expense of Volvic/Evian/Whoever,
rather than being a LU or TFL-sponsored thing ....

Matt



--
John Alexander,

John wrote:
In article , M J Forbes
writes

"Gary Jenkins" wrote in message
.com...

During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was
advising passengers to carry bottled water with them.

As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras
without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. Have the
operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their
destination within a reasonable time?

For the last two summers, bottled water was being handed out at many central
tube stations free of charge in the mornings, although I strongly suspect
that this gesture was entirely at the expense of Volvic/Evian/Whoever,
rather than being a LU or TFL-sponsored thing ....

Matt

Last year our mate Ken made lots of noises about requiring TfL to get on
with cooling the tube, etc. It all seems to have gone quiet - anyone
know whether any progress has been made?

John

One of his manifesto points is to have air-conditioning installed on the
new subsurface fleet, thus bringing it to at least four lines (assuming
the ELLX will use other, mainline stock - if it ever gets built).


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www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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John wrote:
In article , M J Forbes
writes

"Gary Jenkins" wrote in message
e.com...

During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was
advising passengers to carry bottled water with them.

As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras
without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. Have the
operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their
destination within a reasonable time?

For the last two summers, bottled water was being handed out at many central
tube stations free of charge in the mornings, although I strongly suspect
that this gesture was entirely at the expense of Volvic/Evian/Whoever,
rather than being a LU or TFL-sponsored thing ....

Matt

Last year our mate Ken made lots of noises about requiring TfL to get on
with cooling the tube, etc. It all seems to have gone quiet - anyone
know whether any progress has been made?

John

One of his manifesto points is to have air-conditioning installed on the
new subsurface fleet, thus bringing it to at least four lines (assuming
the ELLX will use other, mainline stock - if it ever gets built).


So what options exist?

1) air con trains - where does the heat go?

2) cool tunnels - heck of a lot to cool

3) cool stations - cools tunnels as well...

Thoughts

--
John Alexander,

In article ,
(John) wrote:

In article , Dave Arquati
writes
John wrote:
In article , M J
Forbes
writes

"Gary Jenkins" wrote in message
e.com...

During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was
advising passengers to carry bottled water with them.

As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras
without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. Have the
operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their
destination within a reasonable time?

For the last two summers, bottled water was being handed out at many
central
tube stations free of charge in the mornings, although I strongly
suspect
that this gesture was entirely at the expense of
Volvic/Evian/Whoever,
rather than being a LU or TFL-sponsored thing ....

Matt

Last year our mate Ken made lots of noises about requiring TfL to
get on
with cooling the tube, etc. It all seems to have gone quiet - anyone
know whether any progress has been made?

John

One of his manifesto points is to have air-conditioning installed on
the new subsurface fleet, thus bringing it to at least four lines
(assuming the ELLX will use other, mainline stock - if it ever gets
built).


So what options exist?

1) air con trains - where does the heat go?

2) cool tunnels - heck of a lot to cool

3) cool stations - cools tunnels as well...

Thoughts

--
John Alexander,



The 1995 stock(Northern)(and I assume the 1996 stock (Jubilee)) have
proper air conditioning in the cab, which has no opening windows or doors
- or shouldn't have when the train is in motion.

Given the fact that they can't even maintain these - instead of an 18
degree temperature when the air is chilled, the unit either recycles the
warm air in the cab and sometimes actually heats the air - I cannot see
them actually being able to do anything full scale on the train.

Roger
(my reader sometimes loses mail/newsgroup messages
- if you think you should have had a reply/comment,
please e-mail me again. Ta!)

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writes
Last year our mate Ken made lots of noises about requiring TfL to get on
with cooling the tube, etc. It all seems to have gone quiet - anyone
know whether any progress has been made?

Only mention I've seen recently on the posters about carrying water in
hot weather refers to "new technologies" for cooling the tube.
Maybe they are looking into geothermal heat pumps...
--
Kat Me, Ambivalent? Well, yes and no.

On Thu, 27 May 2004 00:08:11 +0100, Kat
wrote in :
In message , John
writes
Last year our mate Ken made lots of noises about requiring TfL to get on
with cooling the tube, etc. It all seems to have gone quiet - anyone
know whether any progress has been made?

Only mention I've seen recently on the posters about carrying water in
hot weather refers to "new technologies" for cooling the tube.
Maybe they are looking into geothermal heat pumps...

Or maybe they read our thread here a few years ago where we
calculated the viability of using ice to cool carriages...

--
Ivan Reid, Electronic & Computer Engineering, ___ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. Room 40-1-B12, CERN
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".

John wrote in message ...
Last year our mate Ken made lots of noises about requiring TfL to get on
with cooling the tube, etc. It all seems to have gone quiet - anyone
know whether any progress has been made?



Im sure around July/August when it gets really hot the idea will
spring up again.
London Underground want people to carry water with them incase a train
breaks down and due to their pure inefficency and passing the buck it
takes them two hours to move the train to somewhere people can get
off.
Here is an idea and far cheaper than handing out water to people. Fit
all deep level trains with water in sealed bottles for use in
emergencies such as trains being stuck underground during the summer.