Marc Brett wrote:
The pilot
projects were so successful in fostering better urban environments
that the ideas spread rapidly to Belgium, France

France? Traffic Calming... I guess the author has never been to France.

David Off wrote:

France? Traffic Calming... I guess the author has never been to France.

They calm their drivers with a bottle of vin rouge ;-)

Tony

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David Off wrote:

France? Traffic Calming... I guess the author has never been to France.

They calm their drivers with a bottle of vin rouge ;-)

Tony


This reminds me of something I saw on the Discovery channel once.

Bascially, they took one one driver, and tested him on a private track.

They found him to be aggressive, selfish, and unwill to acknowledge his
limitations

They then gave him a joint to smoke, and repeated the test.

His driving improved - the theory being that the cannabis, whilst limiting
his ability to drive, made him more relaxed and made him more aware of his
limitations.

Obviously (and as was pointed out in the programme), this doesn't mean
driving while stoned should be legal, but it was an interesting, if
unexpected result - and certainly worthy of more investigation.

Thought I'd just throw that in for the sake of conversation :-)

Nathaniel Porter wrote:
"Tony Raven" wrote in message
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David Off wrote:

France? Traffic Calming... I guess the author has never been to
France.

They calm their drivers with a bottle of vin rouge ;-)

Tony


This reminds me of something I saw on the Discovery channel once.

Bascially, they took one one driver, and tested him on a private
track.

They found him to be aggressive, selfish, and unwill to acknowledge
his limitations

They then gave him a joint to smoke, and repeated the test.

His driving improved - the theory being that the cannabis, whilst
limiting his ability to drive, made him more relaxed and made him
more aware of his limitations.

Obviously (and as was pointed out in the programme), this doesn't mean
driving while stoned should be legal, but it was an interesting, if
unexpected result - and certainly worthy of more investigation.

Thought I'd just throw that in for the sake of conversation :-)

Dope messes with your perception of speed, smoke enough and try to drive and
the cops will pull you over for doing 10 mph on a clear road.

--
Andy Morris

AndyAtJinkasDotFreeserve.Co.UK


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AndyMorris wrote:

Dope messes with your perception of speed, smoke enough and try to drive and
the cops will pull you over for doing 10 mph on a clear road.

Sounds like that might have been personal experience there ;-)

Tony

Tony Raven wrote:
AndyMorris wrote:

Dope messes with your perception of speed, smoke enough and try to
drive and the cops will pull you over for doing 10 mph on a clear
road.

Sounds like that might have been personal experience there ;-)

Tony

I wasn't driving, but I was giving the driver some stick for doing 25 round
Huddersfield ring road.

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Nathaniel Porter wrote:
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David Off wrote:

France? Traffic Calming... I guess the author has never been to
France.

They calm their drivers with a bottle of vin rouge ;-)

Tony


This reminds me of something I saw on the Discovery channel once.

Bascially, they took one one driver, and tested him on a private
track.

They found him to be aggressive, selfish, and unwill to acknowledge
his limitations

They then gave him a joint to smoke, and repeated the test.

His driving improved - the theory being that the cannabis, whilst
limiting his ability to drive, made him more relaxed and made him
more aware of his limitations.

Obviously (and as was pointed out in the programme), this doesn't mean
driving while stoned should be legal, but it was an interesting, if
unexpected result - and certainly worthy of more investigation.

Thought I'd just throw that in for the sake of conversation :-)

Dope messes with your perception of speed, smoke enough and try to drive
and
the cops will pull you over for doing 10 mph on a clear road.


Which is what you'd expect - but this didn't happen in the (obviously
relatively unscientific) experiment shown above. What did happen was he
drove slowly (but not that slowly), and was so paranoid about hitting
anything or messing up (which is one of the effects of dope) that he
actually drove carefully and did manage to spot all the hazards thrown at
him, and he dealt with them well.

Just to reiterate, I'm not meaning to say that driving while stoned should
be legal - but as I say the results of this experiment were rather
unexpected and most interesting :-)

Nathaniel Porter wrote:

Which is what you'd expect - but this didn't happen in the (obviously
relatively unscientific) experiment shown above. What did happen was he
drove slowly (but not that slowly), and was so paranoid about hitting
anything or messing up (which is one of the effects of dope) that he
actually drove carefully and did manage to spot all the hazards thrown at
him, and he dealt with them well.

Just to reiterate, I'm not meaning to say that driving while stoned should
be legal - but as I say the results of this experiment were rather
unexpected and most interesting :-)

{Puff} Like yeah man {puff}

Tony ;-)

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Nathaniel Porter wrote:

This reminds me of something I saw on the Discovery channel once.

Bascially, they took one one driver, and tested him on a private
track.

They found him to be aggressive, selfish, and unwill to acknowledge
his limitations

They then gave him a joint to smoke, and repeated the test.

His driving improved - the theory being that the cannabis, whilst
limiting his ability to drive, made him more relaxed and made him
more aware of his limitations.

Obviously (and as was pointed out in the programme), this doesn't mean
driving while stoned should be legal, but it was an interesting, if
unexpected result - and certainly worthy of more investigation.

Thought I'd just throw that in for the sake of conversation :-)

Dope messes with your perception of speed, smoke enough and try to drive and
the cops will pull you over for doing 10 mph on a clear road.

Sounds like that episode of "The Detectives" where Jasper Carrot and Robert
Powell eat the "oxo" cubes they found, and ended up driving down the road,
noses to the windscreen, and Carrot screaming "We're going too fast" while
going slower than walking pace!

Pete.

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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 at 23:41:20, David Off
wrote:

Marc Brett wrote:
The pilot
projects were so successful in fostering better urban environments
that the ideas spread rapidly to Belgium, France

France? Traffic Calming... I guess the author has never been to France.

That's why it doesn't work..... if you go to St-Omer from the Tunnel via
the N road, not the motorway, you used to go through a village (now,
happily, bypassed) which had no fewer than 9 pedestrian crossings, as
advertised at the start of the speed limit signs. Never saw any
pedestrians using them, though, or any traffic taking any notice.

Some "passages cloutés" are raised up, though, making their own speed
bumps.
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