JNugent wrote:

The Chiswick section of M4 was designed and built to be
operated at no speed limit whatsoever - though it had the
national 70 limit imposed soon after opening.

You can't design a road for "no speed limit whatsoever". Britain's
motorways were generally designed for 70 mph, but it's obvious that the
first bend on the M4 going west was designed to a lower standard. I
thought the 50 mph limit on that stretch was imposed from first opening,
BICBW.

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JNugent wrote:

The Chiswick section of M4 was designed and built to be
operated at no speed limit whatsoever - though it had the
national 70 limit imposed soon after opening.

You can't design a road for "no speed limit whatsoever". Britain's

GErman Autobahns seem to throw that out of the window. Sure you can't design
a road for "no speed whatsoever", but theres no need for a limit on many
roads. At least that's what the most populous country in Euroep seems to
think.
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Paul Weaver typed:
"Richard J." wrote in message
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JNugent wrote:

The Chiswick section of M4 was designed and built to be
operated at no speed limit whatsoever - though it had the
national 70 limit imposed soon after opening.

You can't design a road for "no speed limit whatsoever". Britain's

GErman Autobahns seem to throw that out of the window. Sure you can't
design a road for "no speed whatsoever", but theres no need for a
limit on many roads. At least that's what the most populous country
in Euroep seems to think.

Most populous != most densely populated, of course. England does pretty well
in the densely populated stakes.

A

In article , Ambrose Nankivell wrote:
In ,
Paul Weaver typed:
"Richard J." wrote in message
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You can't design a road for "no speed limit whatsoever". Britain's

GErman Autobahns seem to throw that out of the window. Sure you can't
design a road for "no speed whatsoever", but theres no need for a
limit on many roads. At least that's what the most populous country
in Euroep seems to think.

Most populous != most densely populated, of course. England does pretty well
in the densely populated stakes.

Whereas the whole of the UK does less well. Similarly, certain Länder in
Germany do quite well.

For example, Nordrhein-Westfalen had 519 people per square kilometre in
1992 (probably more now), which is quite a bit higher than England. And
Nordrhein-Westfalen is a fairly sizeable Land, even if it's not the size
of England.

Niklas
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urban planning and the massive destruction of WWII."
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:46:58 +0100, "Paul Weaver"
wrote in message
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GErman Autobahns seem to throw that out of the window. Sure you can't design
a road for "no speed whatsoever", but theres no need for a limit on many
roads. At least that's what the most populous country in Euroep seems to
think.

Have you checked the comparitive fatality figures? Last time I looked
the Autobahn was substantially more dangerous per mile travelled than
our motorways.

Oh, and last time I checked they also had limits on the Autobahn.

Oh, and last time I checked, their other roads do have speed limits.

Guy
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:46:58 +0100, "Paul Weaver"
wrote in message
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GErman Autobahns seem to throw that out of the window. Sure you can't
design
a road for "no speed whatsoever", but theres no need for a limit on many
roads. At least that's what the most populous country in Euroep seems to
think.

Have you checked the comparitive fatality figures? Last time I looked
the Autobahn was substantially more dangerous per mile travelled than
our motorways.

Much lower then the states, but a quick gogole doesnt reveal anything. As we
have one of the lowest fatality rates in the world it wouldn't surprise me
if Germany was higher. What if you compare Germany accident rates to Italy
or France though

Oh, and last time I checked they also had limits on the Autobahn.

Only in certain areas (which makes perfect sense to me, 100mph on the M5 as
it joins in M6 is probably not a great idea, 100mph on the M5 from Exeter up
to Bristol is generally fine)

Most of the system is limitless (for cars)

Oh, and last time I checked, their other roads do have speed limits.

Yes they do. Of course they have a decent autobahn system which means people
only travel in towns and on small roads when they are near their
destination. This of course reduces traffic in and arround towns, and
therfore accident rates.

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Paul Weaver wrote:

As we have one of the lowest fatality rates in the world it wouldn't
surprise me if Germany was higher. What if you compare Germany accident
rates to Italy or France though

There's some 2002 data he

http://www.bast.de/htdocs/fachthemen...glish/we2.html
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Michael Hoffman wrote in message news:Pine.WNT.4.58.0407190031400.1288@ZVAVZBB...
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Paul Weaver wrote:

As we have one of the lowest fatality rates in the world it wouldn't
surprise me if Germany was higher. What if you compare Germany accident
rates to Italy or France though

There's some 2002 data he

http://www.bast.de/htdocs/fachthemen...glish/we2.html

Motorway is about 33% higher then the UK, yet lower then France,
Finland, Beligum, Ireland, Japan, etc. - which all have speed limits
not far removed from ours (typically 120kph or 75mph)

In om,
Paul Weaver typed:
Michael Hoffman
wrote in message news:Pine.WNT.4.58.0407190031400.1288@ZVAVZBB...
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Paul Weaver wrote:

As we have one of the lowest fatality rates in the world it wouldn't
surprise me if Germany was higher. What if you compare Germany
accident rates to Italy or France though

There's some 2002 data he

http://www.bast.de/htdocs/fachthemen...glish/we2.html

Motorway is about 33% higher then the UK, yet lower then France,
Finland, Beligum, Ireland, Japan, etc. - which all have speed limits
not far removed from ours (typically 120kph or 75mph)

All those countries have death rates higher than ours to start with (not
much higher in the case of Japan, and France's is plummetting towards our
levels).

I guess correlating those figures would give a better suggestion, but would
require getting the speed limit data as well. Might be interesting for
someone with the time.

A

On 19 Jul 2004 12:41:27 -0700, (Paul Weaver) wrote
in message :

Motorway is about 33% higher then the UK, yet lower then France,
Finland, Beligum, Ireland, Japan, etc. - which all have speed limits
not far removed from ours (typically 120kph or 75mph)

Ever driven in Belgium?

Guy
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