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On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 23:36:30 +0100, "Paul Weaver"
wrote (more or less): "Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:46:58 +0100, "Paul Weaver" wrote in message : GErman Autobahns seem to throw that out of the window. Sure you can't design a road for "no speed whatsoever", but theres no need for a limit on many roads. At least that's what the most populous country in Euroep seems to think. Have you checked the comparitive fatality figures? Last time I looked the Autobahn was substantially more dangerous per mile travelled than our motorways. Much lower then the states, but a quick gogole doesnt reveal anything. As we have one of the lowest fatality rates in the world it wouldn't surprise me if Germany was higher. What if you compare Germany accident rates to Italy or France though Oh, and last time I checked they also had limits on the Autobahn. Only in certain areas i.e. round about junctions... (which makes perfect sense to me, 100mph on the M5 as it joins in M6 is probably not a great idea, 100mph on the M5 from Exeter up to Bristol is generally fine) Most of the system is limitless (for cars) But the Germans are now seriously discussing restricting all autobahn. Oh, and last time I checked, their other roads do have speed limits. Yes they do. Of course they have a decent autobahn system which means people only travel in towns and on small roads when they are near their destination. This of course reduces traffic in and arround towns, and therfore accident rates. -- Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: http://www.gawnsoft.co.sr Symbian/Epoc wiki: http://html.dnsalias.net:1122 Smalltalk links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk) http://html.dnsalias.net/gawnsoft/smalltalk |
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:52:59 GMT, Gawnsoft wrote:
Oh, and last time I checked they also had limits on the Autobahn. Only in certain areas i.e. round about junctions... (which makes perfect sense to me, 100mph on the M5 as it joins in M6 is probably not a great idea, 100mph on the M5 from Exeter up to Bristol is generally fine) Most of the system is limitless (for cars) But the Germans are now seriously discussing restricting all autobahn. As with many things, the situation with Autobahn speed limits is not as simple as it first seems. There are many stretches of Autobahn with speed limits. Speed limits are often applied to reduce noise at night in urban areas and in potentially dangerous situations such as long, steep downhills or on very bendy roads. Variable speed limits are becoming more common, particularly on stretches with fog risk. The vicinity of junctions is often limited. Being as limits are common on the busiest Autobahns there's an element of truth in saying that a very considerable proportion of Autobahn driving is done on speed regulated sections. A further complication is the existence of a recommended speed limit of 130kph throughout the system (where not otherwise limited). Drivers exceeding this limit who are involved in accidents are often held to be partially liable for the accident even though they have not broken the law. They have to prove that the accident would not have occurred had they been driving at 130kph. This means that even where there is not a statutory speed limit on German Autobahns personal liability and insurance considerations apply downward pressure on the top speeds. Also, most of the Autobahn network is two lane and there's plenty of slow-moving traffic so it's often difficult to reach high speeds. -- Michael MacClancy Random putdown - "He is not only dull himself, he is the cause of dullness in others." -Samuel Johnson www.macclancy.demon.co.uk www.macclancy.co.uk |
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Michael MacClancy of wrote:
As with many things, the situation with Autobahn speed limits is not as simple as it first seems. There are many stretches of Autobahn with speed limits. snip This means that even where there is not a statutory speed limit on German Autobahns personal liability and insurance considerations apply downward pressure on the top speeds. Another consideration is that Autobahn speed limits are perceived to be actively enforced. One of my German friends was caught by a camera exceeding a limit, fined and is apparently at risk of losing her licence for a repeat offence. Everyone else's view on her being caught was that it is a totally routine event and caused no surprise. In contrast, although I have UK acquaintances who have been caught speeding, I can't remember any caught on a motorway, although I know a lot more UK motorists than German ones. -- If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in. Steph Peters delete invalid from lid Tatting, lace & stitching page http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/index.htm |
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Steph Peters wrote:
Another consideration is that Autobahn speed limits are perceived to be actively enforced. One of my German friends was caught by a camera exceeding a limit, fined and is apparently at risk of losing her licence for a repeat offence. Everyone else's view on her being caught was that it is a totally routine event and caused no surprise. In contrast, although I have UK acquaintances who have been caught speeding, I can't remember any caught on a motorway, although I know a lot more UK motorists than German ones. Me. Twice. 85 mph M1 and M50 -- slightly greasy solar atoms... |
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Steph Peters wrote:
Another consideration is that Autobahn speed limits are perceived to be actively enforced. One of my German friends was caught by a camera exceeding a limit, fined and is apparently at risk of losing her licence for a repeat offence. Everyone else's view on her being caught was that it is a totally routine event and caused no surprise. In contrast, although I have UK acquaintances who have been caught speeding, I can't remember any caught on a motorway, although I know a lot more UK motorists than German ones. They certainly seem to be more rather more conscientious about obeying the limit on the restricted bits. Notably at roadworks. -- Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ ================================================== ========= Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter http://www.bhpc.org.uk/ ================================================== ========= |
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 at 11:16:31, Dave Larrington wrote:
They certainly seem to be more rather more conscientious about obeying the limit on the restricted bits. Notably at roadworks. Yes, when we drove down to near Salzburg via Cologne the other year, we commented that it would be nice to drive at 130 kph on the German motorways. Unfortunately, it was either raining, or there were road-works, or both, and I don't think we got as high as 130 kph all day! Then there was a crash just past Munich, which delayed us even further.... -- Annabel Smyth http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html Website updated 18 July 2004 |
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