What defines whether an LU worker is in RMT or ASLEF?
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Michael Hoffman

In article Pine.WNT.4.58.0406302042540.1172@ZVAVZBB,
(Michael Hoffman) wrote:

What defines whether an LU worker is in RMT or ASLEF?
--
Michael Hoffman

ASLEF normally only cater for drivers, whereas RMT seem to cater all
grades. TSSA are more white collar type(?) grades such as ticket office
staff.

I don't know if ASLEF actually block membership from other grades, and
indeed many staff still retain their original union when going into other
grades - such as driver to DMT. Whether they would get any useful
representation is another matter.

Roger

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In article Pine.WNT.4.58.0406302042540.1172@ZVAVZBB,
(Michael Hoffman) wrote:

What defines whether an LU worker is in RMT or ASLEF?

ASLEF normally only cater for drivers, whereas RMT seem to cater all
grades. TSSA are more white collar type(?) grades such as ticket office
staff.

ASLEF have been one of the traditional unions who keep very specifically
to one field of employment. It has not sought to merge with other
unions, as has been the tendency from others. The RMT (product of the
NUR and NUS merger of the early 1990s) has been on recruiting drives in
the professions it didn't traditionally have members, and not only in
the rail industry (NUMAST have been annoyed at them attempting to
recruit officers in merchant vessels, traditionally their territory,
in addition to the ratings which the NUS had).

One thing that should be understood is that each trade union
traditionally hates the others, usually more than it hates the
management.

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(David Boothroyd) wrote:

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In article Pine.WNT.4.58.0406302042540.1172@ZVAVZBB,
(Michael Hoffman) wrote:

What defines whether an LU worker is in RMT or ASLEF?

ASLEF normally only cater for drivers, whereas RMT seem to cater all
grades. TSSA are more white collar type(?) grades such as ticket
office staff.

ASLEF have been one of the traditional unions who keep very specifically
to one field of employment. It has not sought to merge with other
unions, as has been the tendency from others. The RMT (product of the
NUR and NUS merger of the early 1990s) has been on recruiting drives in
the professions it didn't traditionally have members, and not only in
the rail industry (NUMAST have been annoyed at them attempting to
recruit officers in merchant vessels, traditionally their territory,
in addition to the ratings which the NUS had).

One thing that should be understood is that each trade union
traditionally hates the others, usually more than it hates the
management.

That's very true. The members are just piggy in the middle.

Roger

David Boothroyd wrote in message ...
ASLEF have been one of the traditional unions who keep very specifically
to one field of employment. It has not sought to merge with other
unions, as has been the tendency from others. The RMT (product of the
NUR and NUS merger of the early 1990s) has been on recruiting drives in
the professions it didn't traditionally have members, and not only in
the rail industry (NUMAST have been annoyed at them attempting to
recruit officers in merchant vessels, traditionally their territory,
in addition to the ratings which the NUS had).

For the benefit of those not in the know, please could you define
"NUS"? NUR is obviously National Union of Railwaymen, but NUS? I
always thought that was National Union of Students! Presumably this
is another NUS.

Thanks,

PhilD

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David Boothroyd wrote in message
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ASLEF have been one of the traditional unions who keep very specifically
to one field of employment. It has not sought to merge with other
unions, as has been the tendency from others. The RMT (product of the
NUR and NUS merger of the early 1990s) has been on recruiting drives in
the professions it didn't traditionally have members, and not only in
the rail industry (NUMAST have been annoyed at them attempting to
recruit officers in merchant vessels, traditionally their territory,
in addition to the ratings which the NUS had).

For the benefit of those not in the know, please could you define
"NUS"? NUR is obviously National Union of Railwaymen, but NUS? I
always thought that was National Union of Students! Presumably this
is another NUS.


NUS was the National Union of Seamen which amalgamated with the NUR in
(IIRC) the early nineties.

"Piccadilly Pilot" wrote in message ...
NUS was the National Union of Seamen which amalgamated with the NUR in
(IIRC) the early nineties.

Ah, thanks. That makes more sense now!

PhilD

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In article Pine.WNT.4.58.0406302042540.1172@ZVAVZBB,
(Michael Hoffman) wrote:

What defines whether an LU worker is in RMT or ASLEF?
--
Michael Hoffman

ASLEF normally only cater for drivers, whereas RMT seem to cater all
grades. TSSA are more white collar type(?) grades such as ticket office
staff.

I don't know if ASLEF actually block membership from other grades, and
indeed many staff still retain their original union when going into other
grades - such as driver to DMT. Whether they would get any useful
representation is another matter.

The ASLEF reps @ Arnos have no difficulty representing management grades.
(And yes at times it has been useful)
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Cheers, Steve.
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In article Pine.WNT.4.58.0406302042540.1172@ZVAVZBB,
(Michael Hoffman) wrote:

What defines whether an LU worker is in RMT or ASLEF?
--
Michael Hoffman

ASLEF normally only cater for drivers, whereas RMT seem to cater all
grades. TSSA are more white collar type(?) grades such as ticket
office
staff.

I don't know if ASLEF actually block membership from other grades, and
indeed many staff still retain their original union when going into
other
grades - such as driver to DMT. Whether they would get any useful
representation is another matter.

The ASLEF reps @ Arnos have no difficulty representing management
grades.
(And yes at times it has been useful)
--
Cheers, Steve.
Change from jealous to sad to reply.



It probably varies from place to place, depending on what the reps are
like etc. Generally the consensus seems to be that, as a manager, it's
pretty pointless carrying on with the union you were in as a driver
because the unions are quite willing to keep taking the money but are
useless when it comes to when they are needed.

Roger