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Although the idea of a double-decker bendy is a non-starter for reasons
others have gone into in this thread there is no reason why a non-bendy
double-decker couldn't have three sets of doors.


Don't some Blackpool trams have four sets of doors and two staircases?

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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:43:22 +0100, Stuart
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Tom Anderson wrote:

Why couldn't a double-decker bendy have three doors, like a single-decker?


3 sets of doors on a double decker would leave very little space for
downstairs seating


depends on how big the bus is. Berlin seem to be happy about such an
idea
http://www.mn.man.de/index/MAN-Nutzf...ews/pt212e.htm

I know people will say "they don't fit on london streets" but given that
tour bus operators happily run ex Hong Kong 12m buses all over the
central area you'll excuse me if I'm a tad cynical about TfL's refusal
to use such buses.

Buses of all sizes and configurations have their place in an operation
to size of London's. Big double decks would do very well on routes like
the 25, 29 or 253/4 where there is a balance between short and long
trips. I would prefer to see them on a route like the 73 as well but
alas that is not going to happen. I'll just wait for the moment two
bendies meet at the junction of Church St and Albion Rd in Stoke
Newington and see how long it takes for the bendies to untangle
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depends on how big the bus is.
Berlin seem to be happy about such an idea
http://www.mn.man.de/index/MAN-Nutzf...ews/pt212e.htm

I would prefer to see them on a route like the 73
as well but alas that is not going to happen.
I'll just wait for the moment two bendies meet
at the junction of Church St and Albion Rd in
Stoke Newington and see how long it takes
for the bendies to untangle themselves :-)


I doubt that a single Big Yellow One would get around that corner.

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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:43:22 +0100, Stuart
wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

Why couldn't a double-decker bendy have three doors, like a
single-decker?


3 sets of doors on a double decker would leave very little space for
downstairs seating


depends on how big the bus is. Berlin seem to be happy about such an
idea
http://www.mn.man.de/index/MAN-Nutzf...ews/pt212e.htm


Also worth mentioning that the Berlin double deckers have two staircases as
well yet still manage more seats downstairs than some current London
designs - the staircases are curved, as London's always were before LT
insisted that they be straight.

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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:43:22 +0100, Stuart
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3 sets of doors on a double decker would leave very little space for
downstairs seating


Only because they're too short. Why not build them the length of the
longest (non-bendy) single-decker that will fit the routes they
operate?

There are some *huge* ones in Berlin.

Incidentally, in Brussels at the weekend I noticed that more or less
all the (single-decker) buses were low floor more or less throughout
with 3 sets of doors, one right at the back, and were mid-engined. I
wonder why that's never made it to the UK. Surely the engine could be
accommodated under/by the stairs in a decker, perhaps with the
(front?) wheels individually driven in some way?

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"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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Incidentally, in Brussels at the weekend I noticed that more or less
all the (single-decker) buses were low floor more or less throughout
with 3 sets of doors, one right at the back, and were mid-engined. I
wonder why that's never made it to the UK. Surely the engine could be
accommodated under/by the stairs in a decker, perhaps with the
(front?) wheels individually driven in some way?


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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Stuart wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

Why couldn't a double-decker bendy have three doors, like a single-decker?


3 sets of doors on a double decker would leave very little space for
downstairs seating


I was talking about a double-decker bendy; since single-decker bendies
have three doors, there'd be exactly the same amount of space. Well, apart
from the stairs.

Next time, i promise, i'll make myself clearer when i start a thread!

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On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 17:49:53 +0100, Tom Anderson
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Why are bendy-buses not double-decker?


Because the passengers on the top deck would get barbequed every other
month?

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"Marc Brett" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 17:49:53 +0100, Tom Anderson
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Why are bendy-buses not double-decker?


Because the passengers on the top deck
would get barbequed every other month?


You couldn't have a continuous floor upstairs, but I don't see why the front
half and the back half couldn't have self-contained upstairs sections.

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On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 17:49:53 +0100, Tom Anderson
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Why are bendy-buses not double-decker?


Because the passengers on the top deck
would get barbequed every other month?


You couldn't have a continuous floor upstairs, but I don't see why
the front half and the back half couldn't have self-contained
upstairs sections.


Wouldn't it waste space to have two sets of stairs?




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