On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:04:51 +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:35:00 +0100, Paul Weaver
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 01:20:39 -0500, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Groceries would be tougher, since many of them need to be put in the
refrigerator or freezer upon arrival; I doubt my landlord would go
that far. Unfortunately there's no delivery service in my area, so I
drive the 3 blocks to the store every other week.

You'd have to go to the store every day or two if you were carrying food
back.

I manage perfectly well with using the bus and doing a shop at the
weekend only. I happily lug my bags to the stop, catch the bus and then
walk the last bit to my home. I accept it wouldn't be practical for a
huge family shop and only 1 person doing the shopping but I am amazed at
the extent to which people are seemingly unable to go food shopping
without a car. It's a fantastic illusion that the motor industry and
supermarkets have generated to perpetuate each others' trade.

The only food stuff I buy during the week is milk and possibly a treat
or something that I need to get for a particular meal.

Yes. I don't have a car and I have no problem with groceries. Most
grocery stores do deliveries so why would a huge family have a problem.

--
Lance Lamboy

"Go F*ck Yourself" ~ Dick Cheney

Lance Lamboy wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:04:51 +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:35:00 +0100, Paul Weaver
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 01:20:39 -0500, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Groceries would be tougher, since many of them need to be put in
the refrigerator or freezer upon arrival; I doubt my landlord
would go that far. Unfortunately there's no delivery service in my
area, so I drive the 3 blocks to the store every other week.

You'd have to go to the store every day or two if you were carrying
food back.

I manage perfectly well with using the bus and doing a shop at the
weekend only. I happily lug my bags to the stop, catch the bus and
then walk the last bit to my home. I accept it wouldn't be practical
for a huge family shop and only 1 person doing the shopping but I am
amazed at the extent to which people are seemingly unable to go food
shopping without a car. It's a fantastic illusion that the motor
industry and supermarkets have generated to perpetuate each others'
trade.

The only food stuff I buy during the week is milk and possibly a
treat or something that I need to get for a particular meal.

Yes. I don't have a car and I have no problem with groceries. Most
grocery stores do deliveries so why would a huge family have a
problem.

I've got three siblings and when we were kids we usually had at least one
dog. My mother walked to and from the shops, about a mile each way, bringing
the goods home in a shopping trolley. Why are so many people wimps these
days?

In message , at 18:25:23 on Fri, 13
Aug 2004, Brimstone remarked:
My mother walked to and from the shops, about a mile each way, bringing
the goods home in a shopping trolley. Why are so many people wimps these
days?

Probably for the same reason they have central heating and don't spend
several hours a day setting and raking out coal fires, or have an inside
loo rather than a bucket in an outhouse. Standards have changed.

You'll also find that supermarkets dislike you removing their trolleys
these days - they have deposit schemes, and clever wheels that lock up
as you try to leave the premises.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:25:23 on Fri, 13
Aug 2004, Brimstone remarked:
My mother walked to and from the shops, about a mile each way,
bringing the goods home in a shopping trolley. Why are so many
people wimps these days?

Probably for the same reason they have central heating and don't spend
several hours a day setting and raking out coal fires, or have an
inside loo rather than a bucket in an outhouse. Standards have
changed.

If standards have changed then it's not for the better.


You'll also find that supermarkets dislike you removing their trolleys
these days - they have deposit schemes, and clever wheels that lock up
as you try to leave the premises.

What has that got to do with the topic under discussion, surely it's about
theft?

In message , at 10:25:11 on Sat, 14
Aug 2004, Brimstone remarked:
Probably for the same reason they have central heating and don't spend
several hours a day setting and raking out coal fires, or have an
inside loo rather than a bucket in an outhouse. Standards have
changed.

If standards have changed then it's not for the better.

well, you'll excuse me if I refrain from joining you over the tin
bucket.

You'll also find that supermarkets dislike you removing their trolleys
these days - they have deposit schemes, and clever wheels that lock up
as you try to leave the premises.

What has that got to do with the topic under discussion, surely it's about
theft?

You can't push your shopping home in a supermarket trolley if they won't
let them of the premises. (I think you could have worked that our for
yourself!)
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:25:11 on Sat,
14 Aug 2004, Brimstone remarked:
Probably for the same reason they have central heating and don't
spend several hours a day setting and raking out coal fires, or
have an inside loo rather than a bucket in an outhouse. Standards
have
changed.

If standards have changed then it's not for the better.

well, you'll excuse me if I refrain from joining you over the tin
bucket.

You'll also find that supermarkets dislike you removing their
trolleys these days - they have deposit schemes, and clever wheels
that lock up as you try to leave the premises.

What has that got to do with the topic under discussion, surely it's
about theft?

You can't push your shopping home in a supermarket trolley if they
won't let them of the premises. (I think you could have worked that
our for yourself!)

I could and did, who was talking about pushing one's shopping home in a
supermarket trolley?

In message , at 10:58:22 on Sat, 14
Aug 2004, Brimstone remarked:
I could and did, who was talking about pushing one's shopping home in a
supermarket trolley?

You we

"I've got three siblings and when we were kids we usually had at
least one dog. My mother walked to and from the shops, about a
mile each way, bringing the goods home in a shopping trolley.
Why are so many people wimps these days?"
--
Roland Perry

In misc.transport.urban-transit Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:25:23 on Fri, 13
Aug 2004, Brimstone remarked:
My mother walked to and from the shops, about a mile each way, bringing
the goods home in a shopping trolley. Why are so many people wimps these
days?

Probably for the same reason they have central heating and don't spend
several hours a day setting and raking out coal fires, or have an inside
loo rather than a bucket in an outhouse. Standards have changed.

You'll also find that supermarkets dislike you removing their trolleys
these days - they have deposit schemes, and clever wheels that lock up
as you try to leave the premises.

I figure if they charge me $1.00 to "lease" a shopping cart, I might
as well keep it. The local Walmart doen't seem to care much when I
roll a shopping cart to where I live across the street. They just
send a cart person to pick them up every so often.

Regards,
Mark

--
"No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded."
-- Unknown

Mark Gibson wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 15 Aug 2004:

I figure if they charge me $1.00 to "lease" a shopping cart, I might
as well keep it. The local Walmart doen't seem to care much when I
roll a shopping cart to where I live across the street. They just
send a cart person to pick them up every so often.

Don't you get your coin back when you return the trolley, as we do?

I'd far rather have a coin-operated trolley than a wheel-lock one, as
you can sometimes take them home, empty them, and then take them back
(or bribe a passing child with the coin).
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
(trying out a new .sig to reflect the personality I use in online forums)

Annabel Smyth wrote:

Mark Gibson wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 15 Aug 2004:


I figure if they charge me $1.00 to "lease" a shopping cart, I might
as well keep it. The local Walmart doen't seem to care much when I
roll a shopping cart to where I live across the street. They just
send a cart person to pick them up every so often.

Don't you get your coin back when you return the trolley, as we do?

I'd far rather have a coin-operated trolley than a wheel-lock one, as
you can sometimes take them home, empty them, and then take them back
(or bribe a passing child with the coin).

At Sainsburys on Cromwell Road, both schemes are in operation
(coin-operated and wheel-lock). So if you try to take a trolley away
with you, it locks and you can't wheel it back to get the money back!

However, students are resourceful; when desperate a few of them will
just lift the trolley high enough over the locking area so that it
doesn't lock, et voila.

I think some years ago Sainsburys used to employ students to go round
the local area recovering trolleys that other students had nicked!

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London