In message , Colin
writes
It can be anywhere on the line that has crew facilities - not a
canteen. But hot cold/drinks, toilets and somewhere to sit! But that
doesn't mean that after 4hrs 15 you just leave the train where it is
and go upstairs in to MacDs

You don't?? You're on the wrong line :-)
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Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote in message ...
In message , Sharon & Gordon Thomson
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For a typical LU Driver's shift what would be the approx amount of duty time
for the following components of the days work?

I can only speak for the Piccadilly line but most of these are the
agreed parameters for the Underground...

Time between signing on and taking over train.

19 minutes (includes 7 mins walking time to Arnos Grove platform)

Which explains some of the frequent delays at Arnos Grove usually northbound
but sometimes south too as a full train waits for Mr Driver to stroll down and
take over from his colleague. Why they couldn't have made cockfosters the
booking on point is anyones guess.

B2003

"Boltar" wrote in message
om...
Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote in message
...
In message , Sharon & Gordon Thomson
writes

For a typical LU Driver's shift what would be the approx amount of duty
time
for the following components of the days work?

I can only speak for the Piccadilly line but most of these are the
agreed parameters for the Underground...

Time between signing on and taking over train.

19 minutes (includes 7 mins walking time to Arnos Grove platform)

Which explains some of the frequent delays at Arnos Grove usually
northbound
but sometimes south too as a full train waits for Mr Driver to stroll down
and
take over from his colleague. Why they couldn't have made cockfosters the
booking on point is anyones guess.


There used to be three, Arnos Grove, Oakwood and Wood Green. They put them
all at AG 'cause it's more efficient - they said. At the west end of the
Picc there used to be Acton, South Harrow and Northfields. All now at AT.

In message , Boltar
writes
19 minutes (includes 7 mins walking time to Arnos Grove platform)

Which explains some of the frequent delays at Arnos Grove usually
northbound but sometimes south too as a full train waits for Mr Driver
to stroll down and take over from his colleague. Why they couldn't have
made cockfosters the booking on point is anyones guess.

If the booking on point was CFS, it would cause even more problems in
that service recovery would be virtually impossible after a shutdown or
other problems. Also, a number of trains are booked to reverse at AGR
as CFS couldn't cope in the peaks.

BTW, we don't run north or south, but east to west, I assume you're
referring to the eastbound?
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Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote in message ...
BTW, we don't run north or south, but east to west, I assume you're
referring to the eastbound?

I use real directions , not LU directions. Calling the line going south
from Cockfosters "westbound" is utterly absurd given that it actually runs
southeast to oakwood and south from there! It may be consistent for internal
LU uses to just use east-west but I know from personal experience that it
completely confuses out of towners.

B2003

Boltar wrote:
Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote in message
...
BTW, we don't run north or south, but east to west, I assume you're
referring to the eastbound?

I use real directions , not LU directions. Calling the line going
south
from Cockfosters "westbound" is utterly absurd given that it actually
runs
southeast to oakwood and south from there! It may be consistent for
internal
LU uses to just use east-west but I know from personal experience
that it
completely confuses out of towners.


Nevertheless, Cockfosters is to the east of both Uxbridge and Heathrow,
therefore eastbound and westbound make more sense when considering the l;ine
as a whole. Unless you are suggesting that the description should change
with every twist and turn the railway makes?

In my experience most people not versed in internal LU terminology have no
difficulty with east/west or north/south bound since they don't know their
east from their sou'-sou'-west. They merely establish the direction they
wish to go in and follow the signs, easy innit?

"Piccadilly Pilot" wrote in message ...
Boltar wrote:
Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote in message
...
BTW, we don't run north or south, but east to west, I assume you're
referring to the eastbound?

I use real directions , not LU directions. Calling the line going
south
from Cockfosters "westbound" is utterly absurd given that it actually
runs
southeast to oakwood and south from there! It may be consistent for
internal
LU uses to just use east-west but I know from personal experience
that it
completely confuses out of towners.


Nevertheless, Cockfosters is to the east of both Uxbridge and Heathrow,
therefore eastbound and westbound make more sense when considering the l;ine
as a whole. Unless you are suggesting that the description should change
with every twist and turn the railway makes?

Yes. Or would you suggest every railway in the country only uses one direction
measurement no matter how it twists and turns? Besides which north and south
bound were used for years north of kings cross.


In my experience most people not versed in internal LU terminology have no
difficulty with east/west or north/south bound since they don't know their
east from their sou'-sou'-west. They merely establish the direction they
wish to go in and follow the signs, easy innit?

Last time I took some friends around london they looked at the piccadilly line
on the map , saw it going north-south and so naturally looked for the north and
southbound signs. Imagine their pleasent surprise when they didn't find them.
NO its not easy at first if you're in a crowded station looking for a sign
saying north and only have ones saying east and west (oh , but the northern
line which goes in the same direction as the piccadilly DOES have northbound).
Theres logic for you.

B2003

Boltar wrote:
"Piccadilly Pilot" wrote in message
...
Boltar wrote:
Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote in message
...
BTW, we don't run north or south, but east to west, I assume you're
referring to the eastbound?

I use real directions , not LU directions. Calling the line going
south
from Cockfosters "westbound" is utterly absurd given that it
actually
runs
southeast to oakwood and south from there! It may be consistent for
internal
LU uses to just use east-west but I know from personal experience
that it
completely confuses out of towners.


Nevertheless, Cockfosters is to the east of both Uxbridge and
Heathrow,
therefore eastbound and westbound make more sense when considering
the l;ine
as a whole. Unless you are suggesting that the description should
change
with every twist and turn the railway makes?

Yes. Or would you suggest every railway in the country only uses one
direction
measurement no matter how it twists and turns? Besides which north
and south
bound were used for years north of kings cross.


In my experience most people not versed in internal LU terminology
have no
difficulty with east/west or north/south bound since they don't know
their
east from their sou'-sou'-west. They merely establish the direction
they
wish to go in and follow the signs, easy innit?

Last time I took some friends around london they looked at the
piccadilly line
on the map , saw it going north-south and so naturally looked for the
north and
southbound signs. Imagine their pleasent surprise when they didn't
find them.
NO its not easy at first if you're in a crowded station looking for a
sign
saying north and only have ones saying east and west (oh , but the
northern
line which goes in the same direction as the piccadilly DOES have
northbound).
Theres logic for you.


OK the Piccadilly Line between Holborn and Cockfosters is relabelled North
and South. What about the rest of the line? What about the Jubillee or the
Bakerloo lines, how would you label them?

"Piccadilly Pilot" wrote in message ...
OK the Piccadilly Line between Holborn and Cockfosters is relabelled North
and South. What about the rest of the line? What about the Jubillee or the
Bakerloo lines, how would you label them?

You label them in whatever direction they're going at that station according
to the map. You don't show it going north on a map then write "westbound" on
all the station signs. Or better yet do what other systems do and label them by
their end stations. Eg towards cockfosters or towards heathrow/uxbridge. This
was also done on the underground years ago. Not sure if it still is these days.

B2003

(Boltar) wrote in message . com...
Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote in message ...
BTW, we don't run north or south, but east to west, I assume you're
referring to the eastbound?

I use real directions , not LU directions. Calling the line going south
from Cockfosters "westbound" is utterly absurd given that it actually runs
southeast to oakwood and south from there! It may be consistent for internal
LU uses to just use east-west but I know from personal experience that it
completely confuses out of towners.

B2003

Why would out-of-towners want to go to Cockfosters?