"John Rowland" wrote

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IMO every sink estate should be opened up to traffic,

[snip]

They are doing just that, apparently, here in the London borough of
Barnet, on the Grahame Park estate, in Colindale, on the site of the
old Hendon Aerodrome. I don't know how sinkish it is, but the fact
that it is being "regenerated" probably says something.

Jeremy Parker

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"John Rowland" wrote

[snip]

IMO every sink estate should be opened up to traffic,

[snip]

They are doing just that, apparently, here in the London borough of
Barnet, on the Grahame Park estate, in Colindale, on the site of the
old Hendon Aerodrome. I don't know how sinkish it is, but the fact
that it is being "regenerated" probably says something.

So sinkish that the 204 bus wouldn't go there, following attacks on
staff for several months last year...

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Car ownership will be 100% (not sure about letting all those toddlers
loose in cars) and road capacity will be 3x higher.

The one problem I can't quite work out is - if all roads go over and
under each other, how on earth do you turn left or right?!

Hilarious bit - this guy wants to triple the speed (so three thirties
are ninety mph), then put in a load of hump-back bridges! Aviation,
anyone?

The one problem I can't quite work out is - if all roads go over
and
under each other, how on earth do you turn left or right?!

Nobody has commented yet about the idea of sacrificing everybody's
back gardens for a system of bike paths and footpaths. In Stevenage
the bike bike paths are 12' wide with an 8' pavement on one side,
plus some grass on each side to account for "shy distance" needed
near obstacles such as trees and houses. Modern bike paths are less
generous, which is the reason, one reason anyway, why most cyclists
tend to ride in the road instead.

Jeremy Parker

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"John Rowland" wrote

IMO every sink estate should be opened up to traffic,

They are doing just that, apparently, here in the
London borough of Barnet, on the Grahame Park
estate, in Colindale, on the site of the old Hendon
Aerodrome. I don't know how sinkish it is, but the
fact that it is being "regenerated" probably says something.

In 1979 or so I explored the entire bus network of London, and came to the
conclusion that Quakers Course in Grahame Park was the No 1 worst place in
London.

The sort of regeneration you are describing is a much more expensive and
disruptive process that involves demolishing all of the large blocks of
flats and replacing them with houses and small blocks of 6 flats or so, with
lots of new dead end roads. This is being done on the periphery of the GP
estate and will presumably spread to the core. I don't know how successful
it will be in the long term - a resident of the similar new estate built on
the site of the old Lordship Lane Lido in Tottenham told me "it was
beautiful when we moved in, but it's heartbreaking to see what some of the
residents have done to it."

Incidentally, I recently noticed that the regeneration of the Taylors Lane
area of Harlesden has involved removing the entire road network of recent
years and reinstating the road positions and road names which existed in the
1950s. Smegging nanobots!

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"John Rowland" wrote the
following in:

The sort of regeneration you are describing is a much more
expensive and disruptive process that involves demolishing all of
the large blocks of flats and replacing them with houses and small
blocks of 6 flats or so, with lots of new dead end roads. This is
being done on the periphery of the GP estate and will presumably
spread to the core. I don't know how successful it will be in the
long term - a resident of the similar new estate built on the site
of the old Lordship Lane Lido in Tottenham told me "it was
beautiful when we moved in, but it's heartbreaking to see what
some of the residents have done to it."

I have a friend who lives in an estate in Bow that is being threatened
with the same kind of treatment. His view is that it's stupid because
they'll do up the houses and knock down the tower blocks, then move the
same people back in. They'll treat it exactly as they treated it before
it was done up and it'll soon end up exactly as it always was.

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Robin May wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote the
following in:

The sort of regeneration you are describing is a much more
expensive and disruptive process that involves demolishing all of
the large blocks of flats and replacing them with houses and small
blocks of 6 flats or so, with lots of new dead end roads. This is
being done on the periphery of the GP estate and will presumably
spread to the core. I don't know how successful it will be in the
long term - a resident of the similar new estate built on the site
of the old Lordship Lane Lido in Tottenham told me "it was
beautiful when we moved in, but it's heartbreaking to see what
some of the residents have done to it."

I have a friend who lives in an estate in Bow that is being threatened
with the same kind of treatment. His view is that it's stupid because
they'll do up the houses and knock down the tower blocks, then move the
same people back in. They'll treat it exactly as they treated it before
it was done up and it'll soon end up exactly as it always was.

This is not my experience. In my ward there are two council estates
built almost opposite each other within a few years in the 1970s,
one of which was well designed and the other of which was very badly
designed. Both were populated by people from the Westminster City
Council housing list. The well-designed estate has a consistently
low crime rate and very little vandalism; the badly-designed one has
lots of crime and anti-social behaviour.

Look also at the sudden change in the Trellick Tower caused by the
employment of a full-time concierge.

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On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:41:26 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote:


In 1979 or so I explored the entire bus network of London, and came to the
conclusion that Quakers Course in Grahame Park was the No 1 worst place in
London.


Having lived in Little Strand for around 12 months in 1988-89 I would tend
to agree. Grahame Park gives ********s a bad name.




greg

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Who will join me?!

This is not my experience. In my ward there are two council estates
built almost opposite each other within a few years in the 1970s,
one of which was well designed and the other of which was very badly
designed. Both were populated by people from the Westminster City
Council housing list. The well-designed estate has a consistently
low crime rate and very little vandalism; the badly-designed one has
lots of crime and anti-social behaviour.

Not being familiar with the location you allude to, could you explain
what aspects of each estate you consider to be examples of good and
bad design?

"Robin May" wrote in message
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"John Rowland" wrote the
following in:

The sort of regeneration you are describing is a much more
expensive and disruptive process that involves demolishing all of
the large blocks of flats and replacing them with houses and small
blocks of 6 flats or so, with lots of new dead end roads. This is
being done on the periphery of the GP estate and will presumably
spread to the core. I don't know how successful it will be in the
long term - a resident of the similar new estate built on the site
of the old Lordship Lane Lido in Tottenham told me "it was
beautiful when we moved in, but it's heartbreaking to see what
some of the residents have done to it."

I have a friend who lives in an estate in Bow that is being threatened
with the same kind of treatment. His view is that it's stupid because
they'll do up the houses and knock down the tower blocks, then move the
same people back in. They'll treat it exactly as they treated it before
it was done up and it'll soon end up exactly as it always was.


Not necessarily - have you ever seen the North Peckham estate? By all
accounts five years ago it was a complete no go area. Now it's fairly neat
and well looked after low rise housing. If you give people something to take
pride in, they will.

Jonn