(Nick Cooper) wrote in
:

snip

Alternatively, who can I complain to about all the ****s on bikes who
think that red lights - particularly those at pedestrian crossing -
somehow don't count for them?

You could try the police?

Especially annoying are the ones who think they're entitled to shout
abuse at the pedestrians they have to swerve round them because they're
already half way across the road. Funny, that, isn't it? Pedestrians
having the temerity to cross a road when the lights are in their favour,
just because to knobend-in-lycra is too impatient to obey the red and
wait a few seconds.

You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that uk.rec.cycling exists
to defend these idiots. It doesn't. Most cyclists on this group deplore that
kind of behaviour.

Maybe some of the denizens of uk.transport.london could comment on whether or
not they think this behaviour is defensible?

--
Chris

Monkey Hanger wrote:
(Nick Cooper) wrote in
:

snip

Alternatively, who can I complain to about all the ****s on bikes
who think that red lights - particularly those at pedestrian
crossing - somehow don't count for them?

You could try the police?

Especially annoying are the ones who think they're entitled to
shout
abuse at the pedestrians they have to swerve round them because
they're already half way across the road. Funny, that, isn't it?
Pedestrians having the temerity to cross a road when the lights
are in their favour, just because to knobend-in-lycra is too
impatient to obey the red and
wait a few seconds.

You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that
uk.rec.cycling exists to defend these idiots. It doesn't. Most
cyclists on this group deplore that kind of behaviour.

Maybe some of the denizens of uk.transport.london could comment on
whether or not they think this behaviour is defensible?

One point that came out of the previous discussion on this thread (which
I thought had quietly died) was the distinction between real cyclists
and the Persons on Bikes (POBs) who give cycling a bad name. I found it
encouraging that uk.rec.cycling denizens made that distinction. I think
most people on u.t.l would agree that the crass behaviour that Nick
Cooper described is not defensible.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

"Nick Cooper" wrote in
message ...

Alternatively, who can I complain to about all the ****s on bikes who
think that red lights - particularly those at pedestrian crossing -
somehow don't count for them? Especially annoying are the ones who
think they're entitled to shout abuse at the pedestrians they have to
swerve round them because they're already half way across the road.
Funny, that, isn't it? Pedestrians having the temerity to cross a
road when the lights are in their favour, just because to
knobend-in-lycra is too impatient to obey the red and wait a few
seconds.

A few months ago I saw what this can lead to. A lycra clad cyclist went
flying around the roundabout at Trafalgar Square at a good 30mph, and turned
down Whitehall going straight through the red light, and straight into a
woman crossing the road.

Spicknspan opined the following...
A few months ago I saw what this can lead to. A lycra clad cyclist went
flying around the roundabout at Trafalgar Square at a good 30mph, and turned
down Whitehall going straight through the red light, and straight into a
woman crossing the road.

And presumably both people survived. I'm not condoning the behaviour of
any cyclist who ignores the rules of the road, but a driver doing the
same thing (And they do) would have left the woman severly injured or
dead!

Jon

Spicknspan wrote:

A few months ago I saw what this can lead to. A lycra clad cyclist went
flying around the roundabout at Trafalgar Square at a good 30mph, and turned
down Whitehall going straight through the red light, and straight into a
woman crossing the road.


It doesn't excuse bad behaviour like that but its interesting you have
to delve back several months to come up with an example, which, knowing
the complex junction to turn into Whitehall from Trafalgar Sq is rather
improbable. I am sure the London cycling contingent can give you daily
examples of cyclists becoming the victims of bad driving and pedestrians
stepping out without looking.

FWIW 30mph seems to be the norm for all traffic round other parts of
Trafalgar square when it gets the opportunity.

Tony

"Tony Raven" wrote in message
...
Spicknspan wrote:

A few months ago I saw what this can lead to. A lycra clad cyclist went
flying around the roundabout at Trafalgar Square at a good 30mph, and
turned
down Whitehall going straight through the red light, and straight into a
woman crossing the road.


It doesn't excuse bad behaviour like that but its interesting you have
to delve back several months to come up with an example,

I'd have to delve back even further for an example of a car accident I've
seen, although I'm sure many have happened since.

which, knowing
the complex junction to turn into Whitehall from Trafalgar Sq is rather
improbable.

Maybe improbable, but true.

I am sure the London cycling contingent can give you daily
examples of cyclists becoming the victims of bad driving and pedestrians
stepping out without looking.

FWIW 30mph seems to be the norm for all traffic round other parts of
Trafalgar square when it gets the opportunity.

Does that include going through red lights without even a pretence of
braking?


Tony

On 11/10/04 1:49 pm, in article ,
"Spicknspan" wrote:

"Tony Raven" wrote in message
...
Spicknspan wrote:

A few months ago I saw what this can lead to. A lycra clad cyclist went
flying around the roundabout at Trafalgar Square at a good 30mph, and
turned
down Whitehall going straight through the red light, and straight into a
woman crossing the road.


It doesn't excuse bad behaviour like that but its interesting you have
to delve back several months to come up with an example,
which, knowing
the complex junction to turn into Whitehall from Trafalgar Sq is rather
improbable.

Maybe improbable, but true.


30mph? Really?
How did you measure it? Or is it a 'my goodness they were going quickly,
must have been at least pluck figure out of air 30mph'

It would be nigh on impossible except on a completely clear road, and I
doubt the road there ever gets that clear.

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