Nick Cooper opined the
following...
I don't recall putting the sort of cyclist I was complaining about
into any particular age bracket. In fact, my own observations tell me
that the most "serious"-looking of cyclists are - if anything - worse.

Define "serious"-looking! The ones I see tend to be yoofs on cheap full-
sus MTBs, and cycle couriers (Who are basically trying to shorten their
lifespan!).

So that excuses crap cyclists, does it?

No. But it does make for an interesting comparison. A crap cyclist is
liable to end up dead and probably scratch someone's paintwork. A crap
car driver is liable to end up killing someone. A crap bus driver (Or
driver of similarly sized vehicle) is liable to kill a great many people
and cause vast amounts of damage.

It's all about proportion.

Jon

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:49:16 +0100, Jon Senior
jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk wrote:

Nick Cooper opined the
following...
I don't recall putting the sort of cyclist I was complaining about
into any particular age bracket. In fact, my own observations tell me
that the most "serious"-looking of cyclists are - if anything - worse.

Define "serious"-looking! The ones I see tend to be yoofs on cheap full-
sus MTBs, and cycle couriers (Who are basically trying to shorten their
lifespan!).

So that excuses crap cyclists, does it?

No. But it does make for an interesting comparison. A crap cyclist is
liable to end up dead and probably scratch someone's paintwork. A crap
car driver is liable to end up killing someone. A crap bus driver (Or
driver of similarly sized vehicle) is liable to kill a great many people
and cause vast amounts of damage.

Yeah, well having seen speeding cyclists jumping reds at crossings and
coming within a hair's bredth of sending OAPs flying, I'll reserve
judgement on that one.

It's all about proportion.

Indeed. Whinging cyclists should be aware that not all of their
bretheren are white-clad angels-on-wheels.
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Nick Cooper wrote:

Yeah, well having seen speeding cyclists jumping reds at crossings and
coming within a hair's bredth of sending OAPs flying, I'll reserve
judgement on that one.


As has been said here before, very few here would condone that sort of
behaviour irrespective of the fact that your over dramatic description
seems to lead to very very few accidents and injuries every year


Indeed. Whinging cyclists should be aware that not all of their
bretheren are white-clad angels-on-wheels.


Were you making a point or just wanting an excuse for an attack?

Tony

On 11/10/04 12:12 am, in article , "Nick
Cooper" wrote:


Indeed. Whinging cyclists should be aware that not all of their
bretheren are white-clad angels-on-wheels.

They are no more my brethren than they are yours. In the same way that
uk.r.c regard most bus drivers as good, well trained and competent
professionals who it is a pleasure to share the road with. There are always
a significant number of idiots in any form of transport who you don't want
to be associated with.

...d

"David Martin" wrote in message
...
On 11/10/04 12:12 am, in article , "Nick
Cooper" wrote:


Indeed. Whinging cyclists should be aware that not all of their
bretheren are white-clad angels-on-wheels.

They are no more my brethren than they are yours. In the same way that
uk.r.c regard most bus drivers as good, well trained and competent
professionals who it is a pleasure to share the road with.

????
Where do you live?

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:12:49 +0100, "Frank X"
wrote:


"David Martin" wrote in message
.. .
On 11/10/04 12:12 am, in article , "Nick
Cooper" wrote:


Indeed. Whinging cyclists should be aware that not all of their
bretheren are white-clad angels-on-wheels.

They are no more my brethren than they are yours. In the same way that
uk.r.c regard most bus drivers as good, well trained and competent
professionals who it is a pleasure to share the road with.

????
Where do you live?


When I'm cycling I'd rather be sharing the road with bus drivers than
car drivers. They've had more training and have more incentive to
follow the rules and try not to kill anyone.

On 11/10/04 9:12 pm, in article , "Frank X"
wrote:


"David Martin" wrote in message
...
On 11/10/04 12:12 am, in article , "Nick
Cooper" wrote:


Indeed. Whinging cyclists should be aware that not all of their
bretheren are white-clad angels-on-wheels.

They are no more my brethren than they are yours. In the same way that
uk.r.c regard most bus drivers as good, well trained and competent
professionals who it is a pleasure to share the road with.

????
Where do you live?

Dundee. It's the one in fifty who are complete ******* who tend to impinge
more on your memory.

The bus drivers around here are, in the vast majority of cases, very good
and pleasant to share the road with. There are always some exceptions.

...d

David Martin wrote:

Dundee. It's the one in fifty who are complete ******* who tend to
impinge more on your memory.

The bus drivers around here are, in the vast majority of cases, very
good and pleasant to share the road with. There are always some
exceptions.

Around here - London Town Devine - approximately 50% of them appear to be
terminal menks. Most notably he

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where they seem to regard the observance of red lights and box junctions as
optional. Moreover, Uncle Ken and his Kohorts have now introduced
Bendy-Buses on two routes which occupy some, or more, of my commute. They
have big signs on the back saying "this vehicle is 18m long", a fact of
which many of the drivers appear to be ignorant. Gagh!

--

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David Martin wrote to uk.transport.london on Tue, 12 Oct 2004:

The bus drivers around here are, in the vast majority of cases, very good
and pleasant to share the road with. There are always some exceptions.

From a pedestrian's point of view, even in London it is those bus
drivers who see you running for the bus and deliberately pull away or
slam the door in your face who are remembered; the many more who wait
for you - and I saw one extremely nice driver wait for a young woman who
had to run for quite a distance two days ago - are soon forgotten.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 26 September 2004

In article , David Martin wrote:
On 11/10/04 9:12 pm, in article , "Frank X"
wrote:
"David Martin" wrote in message
...
On 11/10/04 12:12 am, in article , "Nick
Cooper" wrote:

Indeed. Whinging cyclists should be aware that not all of their
bretheren are white-clad angels-on-wheels.

They are no more my brethren than they are yours. In the same way that
uk.r.c regard most bus drivers as good, well trained and competent
professionals who it is a pleasure to share the road with.

????
Where do you live?

Dundee. It's the one in fifty who are complete ******* who tend to impinge
more on your memory.

The bus drivers around here are, in the vast majority of cases, very good
and pleasant to share the road with. There are always some exceptions.

There's more to being a competent professional bus driver than being a
pleasure to share the road with. Making some attempt to stick to the route
on the timetable, for example. Maybe they do that more often in Dundee than
Cambridge, see cam.transport passim.