Hi all,.

At the north end of South Grove in Highgate, North London, are no-entry
signs with text beneath reading "No Entry Except From East". In effect they
are saying that you can do a left-turn into South Grove but you can't do a
right-turn into it. There are none of the normal right-turn-banned signs at
all. Since drivers are not legally required to carry a compass or know the
direction in which they are travelling at a particular moment, I don't see
how anyone could be successfully prosecuted for doing a right turn here. I
also don't see why they didn't just mount a right-turn-banned sign.

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"John Rowland" wrote in message
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Hi all,.

At the north end of South Grove in Highgate, North London, are no-entry
signs with text beneath reading "No Entry Except From East". In effect
they
are saying that you can do a left-turn into South Grove but you can't do a
right-turn into it. There are none of the normal right-turn-banned signs
at
all. Since drivers are not legally required to carry a compass or know the
direction in which they are travelling at a particular moment, I don't see
how anyone could be successfully prosecuted for doing a right turn here. I
also don't see why they didn't just mount a right-turn-banned sign.

Agreed that it would be easier for all concerned if TPTB erected appropriate
signs but why does everything have to gave a law requiring people to behave
in a certain fashion or possess a specific item of knowledge? Are you
seriously suggesting that most people don't know which compass direction a
road lies along?

"Brimstone" wrote in message
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"John Rowland" wrote in message
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At the north end of South Grove in Highgate,
North London, are no-entry signs with text
beneath reading "No Entry Except From East".

I don't see how anyone could be successfully
prosecuted for doing a right turn here.

Agreed that it would be easier for all concerned if TPTB
erected appropriate signs but why does everything have
to gave a law requiring people to behave in a certain
fashion or possess a specific item of knowledge?

Huh?

Are you seriously suggesting that most people don't
know which compass direction a road lies along?

Yes! Even if you did know, you could easily deny it. Many cars do the right
turn here.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

John Rowland wrote:

"Brimstone" wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote:

At the north end of South Grove in Highgate,
North London, are no-entry signs with text
beneath reading "No Entry Except From East".
I don't see how anyone could be successfully
prosecuted for doing a right turn here.

Agreed that it would be easier for all concerned if TPTB
erected appropriate signs but why does everything have
to gave a law requiring people to behave in a certain
fashion or possess a specific item of knowledge?

Huh?

I think he is asking why - even without a formal and appropriately-signed
ban - drivers cannot enter into the spirit of the "request" and refrain from
making the maneouvre the authorities clearly frown on.

Are you seriously suggesting that most people don't
know which compass direction a road lies along?

Yes! Even if you did know, you could easily deny it. Many cars do the
right turn here.

Over thirty years ago, there used to be similar signs in Camden Town,
"banning" traffic heading north along the A400 towards Kentish Town from
turning right into several side-streets. They may still be there.


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John Rowland wrote:
"Brimstone" wrote in message
...
"John Rowland" wrote in
message ...

At the north end of South Grove in Highgate,
North London, are no-entry signs with text
beneath reading "No Entry Except From East".

I don't see how anyone could be successfully
prosecuted for doing a right turn here.

Agreed that it would be easier for all concerned if TPTB
erected appropriate signs but why does everything have
to gave a law requiring people to behave in a certain
fashion or possess a specific item of knowledge?

Huh?

Your comment, "Since drivers are not legally required to carry a compass or
know the
direction in which they are travelling at a particular moment", refers.


Are you seriously suggesting that most people don't
know which compass direction a road lies along?

Yes! Even if you did know, you could easily deny it. Many cars do the
right turn here.

In article , John Rowland says...

Hi all,.

At the north end of South Grove in Highgate, North London, are no-entry
signs with text beneath reading "No Entry Except From East". In effect they
are saying that you can do a left-turn into South Grove but you can't do a
right-turn into it.

Is there such a sign in the highway code? IIRC the rules are slightly more
complex and the HC is not the definitive guide, and "temporary" signs are
allowed for a testing period.

Having said that it is taking the **** to expect people to follow a sign that's
not in the HC..

In message , Brimstone
writes
Are you
seriously suggesting that most people don't know which compass direction a
road lies along?

I would agree with that, I have a GPS in the car and having driven
around a strange town it is often quite surprising to find the direction
I'm heading is nothing like the one I thought I was. With roundabouts
and subtle bends in the road it is well high impossible to keep track of
compass directions.



--
Bill

Joanne wrote:
In article , John Rowland
says...

Hi all,.

At the north end of South Grove in Highgate, North London, are
no-entry signs with text beneath reading "No Entry Except From
East". In effect they are saying that you can do a left-turn
into South Grove but you can't do a right-turn into it.

Is there such a sign in the highway code? IIRC the rules are
slightly more complex and the HC is not the definitive guide,
and "temporary" signs are allowed for a testing period.

Having said that it is taking the **** to expect people to
follow a sign that's not in the HC..

The Highway Code does show the no-entry sign, and has a general comment
"plates below signs qualify their message". Anyway, the HC shows "many
of the signs commonly in use", but not all of them.

In my experience, no-entry signs like these are generally angled towards
the prohibited direction, and from a distance are rather more
immediately obvious in their intent than no-right-turn signs. This is
because people see the no-entry sign before they are close enough to
read the words.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Joanne wrote:
In article , John Rowland
says...

Hi all,.

At the north end of South Grove in Highgate, North London, are
no-entry
signs with text beneath reading "No Entry Except From East". In
effect they are saying that you can do a left-turn into South Grove
but you can't do a right-turn into it.

Is there such a sign in the highway code? IIRC the rules are slightly
more complex and the HC is not the definitive guide, and "temporary"
signs are allowed for a testing period.

Having said that it is taking the **** to expect people to follow a
sign that's not in the HC..

Why? As long as ots meaning and intention are plain why can't people be
expected to comply?

This is yet another example of the attitude that leads to the kind of petty
rules that so many people complain about.

It was a dark and stormy night when JNugent
e.co.uk wrote in article ...
ver thirty years ago, there used to be similar signs in Camden Town,
"banning" traffic heading north along the A400 towards Kentish Town from
turning right into several side-streets. They may still be there.

They are certainly still there along Camden Road towards Nag's Head.

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