"Matt Ashby" wrote in message
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"Piers Connor" wrote:
Any bets on how long it will it will be before a Thameslink train is
routed
into a non-electrified platform at the new St Pancras?

Aren't the current platforms at St. Pancras all electrified? If so, then
quite
a while.

Don't forget that the current St.Pancras is the new Interim Station and
presently only platforms 10,11,12 and 13 are wired and energised.
All wiring for the old station were taken out quite early on during the CTRL
construction work.

Cadman

"Piers Connor" wrote in message


Any bets on how long it will it will be before a Thameslink train is routed
into a non-electrified platform at the new St Pancras?


Why ask such a question ?

Since BedPan / Thameslink electrification WH PSB has sucessfully
managed to run the same railway for 15 years without routing HST to
Moorgate - or 319s to Junction Road Junction or any other
non-electrified diverging route, why would you except this happen now.


The sort of comment you have made is what leads to uninformed nonsense
appearing on the media after an accident.

--
Nick

Since BedPan / Thameslink electrification WH PSB has sucessfully
managed to run the same railway for 15 years without routing HST to
Moorgate - or 319s to Junction Road Junction or any other
non-electrified diverging route, why would you except this happen now.

A couple of years ago a 319 failed south of Bedford, and another unit was
despatched to collect it. This second unit was routed via a non-electrified
connection between the up and down lines. The pan disengaged and brought the
wires down.

Some time before that a 319 was routed into the then new Platform 4 at
Bedford station.

So, yes, it happens all the time.

Peter Goodland.

D7666 wrote:
Why ask such a question ?

Since BedPan / Thameslink electrification WH PSB has sucessfully
managed to run the same railway for 15 years without routing HST to
Moorgate - or 319s to Junction Road Junction or any other
non-electrified diverging route, why would you except this happen now.

Because people do sometimes make mistakes?

During the Ipswich Tunnel closure, an Intercity set was routed on to the
Lowestoft Line, where the was no power.
Also a few years ago, an 86+set was routed away from the wires at Norwich.

--
Darren

Rail Pics: http://photos.darrenjohnson.co.uk/
Website : http://www.darrenjohnson.co.uk/

In message , at
14:32:11 on Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Darren ] remarked:
Why ask such a question ? Since BedPan / Thameslink electrification
WH PSB has sucessfully
managed to run the same railway for 15 years without routing HST to
Moorgate - or 319s to Junction Road Junction or any other
non-electrified diverging route, why would you except this happen now.

Because people do sometimes make mistakes?

During the Ipswich Tunnel closure, an Intercity set was routed on to
the Lowestoft Line, where the was no power.
Also a few years ago, an 86+set was routed away from the wires at Norwich.

And someone posted only a week ago about a GNER E* set that was sent
onto a branch with no electrification, somewhere well north of
Peterborough I think.
--
Roland Perry

Cadman wrote:

"eurostardriver" wrote in message
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Roland Perry wrote in message

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In message , at 21:56:34 on
Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Robin Mayes
remarked:

Please avoid using Kings Cross underground station, if possible

Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL,
but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call
at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding.
Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be
forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding
there 3 times worse.

Regards

E*driver


Thameslink didn't want this. It was at the insistance of LUL as they stated
that the platforms at West Hampstead and Kentish Town underground stations
cannot safely handle large numbers of pax.

Neil

Out of interest why is this? I could possibly understand Kentish Town
but West Hampstead seems to have pretty large platforms (although
admittedly not very many ticket gates - but those could be left open at
busy times). I'd be more concerned about overcrowding on the walking
route along West End Lane.

With more planning, maybe LUL could have stopped some Mets at West
Hampstead, allieviating the crowding issue. However I guess that would
have required a complicated recast of the timetable.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

In article , D7666 wrote:
"Piers Connor" wrote in message

Any bets on how long it will it will be before a Thameslink train is routed
into a non-electrified platform at the new St Pancras?

Why ask such a question ?

Since BedPan / Thameslink electrification WH PSB has sucessfully
managed to run the same railway for 15 years without routing HST to
Moorgate - or 319s to Junction Road Junction or any other
non-electrified diverging route, why would you except this happen now.

Though not long ago a northbound T/L was routed non-electric at Bedford but managed to coast into the
platform.

--

Jock Mackirdy
Bedford

Dave Arquati wrote:
Cadman wrote:

"eurostardriver" wrote in message
om...

Roland Perry wrote in message

o.uk...

In message , at 21:56:34
on Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Robin Mayes
remarked:

Please avoid using Kings Cross underground station, if possible

Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL,
but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call
at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding.
Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be
forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding
there 3 times worse.

Regards

E*driver


Thameslink didn't want this. It was at the insistance of LUL as they
stated that the platforms at West Hampstead and Kentish Town
underground stations cannot safely handle large numbers of pax.

Neil

Out of interest why is this? I could possibly understand Kentish Town
but West Hampstead seems to have pretty large platforms (although
admittedly not very many ticket gates - but those could be left open
at busy times). I'd be more concerned about overcrowding on the
walking route along West End Lane.

With more planning, maybe LUL could have stopped some Mets at West
Hampstead, allieviating the crowding issue. However I guess that would
have required a complicated recast of the timetable.

At which platform? W Hampstead only has an island platform serving the
Jubilee line. North of there the first track connection between Met &
Jubilee is north of Neasden

--
Lawrence Myers

Lawrence Myers wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:

Cadman wrote:


"eurostardriver" wrote in message
e.com...


Roland Perry wrote in message

s.co.uk...


In message , at 21:56:34
on Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Robin Mayes
remarked:


Please avoid using Kings Cross underground station, if possible

Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL,
but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call
at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding.
Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be
forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding
there 3 times worse.

Regards

E*driver


Thameslink didn't want this. It was at the insistance of LUL as they
stated that the platforms at West Hampstead and Kentish Town
underground stations cannot safely handle large numbers of pax.

Neil

Out of interest why is this? I could possibly understand Kentish Town
but West Hampstead seems to have pretty large platforms (although
admittedly not very many ticket gates - but those could be left open
at busy times). I'd be more concerned about overcrowding on the
walking route along West End Lane.

With more planning, maybe LUL could have stopped some Mets at West
Hampstead, allieviating the crowding issue. However I guess that would
have required a complicated recast of the timetable.


At which platform? W Hampstead only has an island platform serving the
Jubilee line. North of there the first track connection between Met &
Jubilee is north of Neasden


Oops, my mistake. I must have been thinking of Willesden Green instead.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

In article , D7666
writes
Why ask such a question ?

Since BedPan / Thameslink electrification WH PSB has sucessfully
managed to run the same railway for 15 years without routing HST to
Moorgate - or 319s to Junction Road Junction or any other
non-electrified diverging route, why would you except this happen now.


The sort of comment you have made is what leads to uninformed nonsense
appearing on the media after an accident.

But about a year ago one of the WH signallers did manage to route a
Thameslink train across a non-electrified cross-over near Flitwick. As
a result services were badly disrupted for around 24 hours, and I got
home a couple of hours late.

--
Clive Page