Solar Penguin wrote:

-- "PRAR" wrote:

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:33:16 +0930, (Aidan Stanger)
wrote:

Conversion of the line to tramway will
bring real benefits, giving much better interchange (serving
Annerley station and Crystal Palace bus station)

I see no evidence to back up this claim.
For a start the Trams aren't going to go near the bus station,

I was basing my claim on what I'd heard in the December 2002 London LRTA
meeting. Having since checked the Croydontramlink yahoogroup, I was
rather dismayed to find that they'd abandoned the part of the plan to
venture into Crystal Palace Park to reach the top of the hill. It seems
someone important wants Crystal Palace Park kept the way it is. Having
been there last year, I can't imagine why! There are far too many
fences, and a lot of the space seems to be wasted on car parking.

and Anerley station hardly has a suitable service to interchange with.

It can easily be improved.

Good point. Anerley's 2tph both go to Croydon anyway, so there's better
interchange available there.

Beckenham via Croydon would be quite a detour.

Besides, if the trams just follow the existing railway line to Crystal
Palace, then they won't even go anyhere near Anerley station!

They couldn't follow the existing railway line to Crystal Palace if they
wanted to, as it will still be used for trains to Croydon.

Unless service patterns have changed in the last year or so, some of the
trains split at Purley. Why not take over half of that service?

Because there still aren't the paths at Norwood Junction.

So it does look like the tramlink will bring a worse train service to
Crystal Palace after all...

Are you sure there aren't the paths at Norwood Junction? What's limiting
their number?

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 01:58:17 +0930, (Aidan Stanger)
wrote:
So it does look like the tramlink will bring a worse train service to
Crystal Palace after all...

Are you sure there aren't the paths at Norwood Junction? What's limiting
their number?

Mostly they are all already in use by Southern, Thameslink & South
Eastern, and more are about to be swallowed up by back extensions of
the Uckfield services to London Bridge.

There's also a few odd operational lowlights including: trains to West
Croydon can only use platform 5 or 6, there's a flat crossing on top
of Cottage Bridge which creates conflicts on the slow lines,
Thameslink trains via Crystal Palace to East Croydon (and points
south) are always crossed to the fast lines North of Norwood Junction.

You could bring platform 7 back into use and use that for terminating
trains at though.

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PRAR wrote:

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004, (Aidan Stanger) wrote:
So it does look like the tramlink will bring a worse train service to
Crystal Palace after all...

Are you sure there aren't the paths at Norwood Junction? What's limiting
their number?

Mostly they are all already in use by Southern, Thameslink & South
Eastern, and more are about to be swallowed up by back extensions of
the Uckfield services to London Bridge.

Wouldn't those use the fast lines?

There's also a few odd operational lowlights including: trains to West
Croydon can only use platform 5 or 6, there's a flat crossing on top
of Cottage Bridge which creates conflicts on the slow lines,

Where is Cottage Bridge? I thought the only flat crossings in that area
were the depot access ones.

Thameslink trains via Crystal Palace to East Croydon (and points
south) are always crossed to the fast lines North of Norwood Junction.

You could bring platform 7 back into use and use that for terminating
trains at though.

Apart from a signal upgrade, what would be required for a tube type
service on the Croydon lines?

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:23:45 +0930, (Aidan Stanger)
wrote:

PRAR wrote:

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004, (Aidan Stanger) wrote:
So it does look like the tramlink will bring a worse train service to
Crystal Palace after all...

Are you sure there aren't the paths at Norwood Junction? What's limiting
their number?

Mostly they are all already in use by Southern, Thameslink & South
Eastern, and more are about to be swallowed up by back extensions of
the Uckfield services to London Bridge.

Wouldn't those use the fast lines?

Possibly, but rememeber there are 4 thameslinks, plus 2 Tattenhams and
the South Eastern already using those fast lines.



There's also a few odd operational lowlights including: trains to West
Croydon can only use platform 5 or 6, there's a flat crossing on top
of Cottage Bridge which creates conflicts on the slow lines,

Where is Cottage Bridge? I thought the only flat crossings in that area
were the depot access ones.

It's next to Lupin Bridge! It's where the Up London Bridge slow leaves
the Up Victoria slow (Milepost 9-68). Cottage Bridge is effectively
where the up London Bridge lines change from paired by use to paired
by direction.






Thameslink trains via Crystal Palace to East Croydon (and points
south) are always crossed to the fast lines North of Norwood Junction.

You could bring platform 7 back into use and use that for terminating
trains at though.

Apart from a signal upgrade, what would be required for a tube type
service on the Croydon lines?


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