In article , (Richard J.) wrote:

[I asked:]

Wouldn't the 1864 LCDR station have been Blackfriars Bridge? - it
opened on 1st June, the same day as the extension from Elephant &
Castle, and closed 1st October 1885.

It was Blackfriars according to H.P. White, my source of London railway
history. His dates agree with those in Mark's post, and he implies that
the old Blackfriars was closed at the same time as St Paul's was opened
on 10 May 1886. Do you have a source for "Blackfriars Bridge" and the
October 1885 closure date?

"A Southern Region Chronology and Record 1803-1965", R.H.Clark, Oakwood
Press, 1964 (sic - must have had prophetic powers for 1965!), p66. Also for
SER Blackfriars. Whether he or White is right I do not know; but Blackfriars
Bridge does seem a more appropriate name for a station south of the Thames,
when Blackfriars proper is north.

--
Peter Beale

In message , Peter
Beale writes

"A Southern Region Chronology and Record 1803-1965", R.H.Clark, Oakwood
Press, 1964 (sic - must have had prophetic powers for 1965!), p66. Also for
SER Blackfriars. Whether he or White is right I do not know; but Blackfriars
Bridge does seem a more appropriate name for a station south of the Thames,
when Blackfriars proper is north.

Clark does seem to be correct - I suddenly remembered that I have a LCDR
route map from 1870, showing the city line complete to Ludgate Hill (and
under construction north thereof). This clearly marks the south-bank
station as Blackfriars Bridge.

See also the contemporary quote from Cruchley at:
http://www.victorianlondon.org/thame...ndrabridge.htm

And finally, while Jackson's "London Termini" calls the station
"Blackfriars" on pages 155, 191 and 193, on page 192 he refers to "This
Blackfriars Bridge station".

--
Paul Terry

Paul Terry wrote:
In message ,
Peter
Beale writes

"A Southern Region Chronology and Record 1803-1965", R.H.Clark,
Oakwood Press, 1964 (sic - must have had prophetic powers for
1965!), p66. Also for SER Blackfriars. Whether he or White is
right I do not know; but Blackfriars Bridge does seem a more
appropriate name for a station south of the Thames, when
Blackfriars proper is north.

Clark does seem to be correct - I suddenly remembered that I have a
LCDR route map from 1870, showing the city line complete to Ludgate
Hill (and under construction north thereof). This clearly marks the
south-bank station as Blackfriars Bridge.

See also the contemporary quote from Cruchley at:
http://www.victorianlondon.org/thame...ndrabridge.htm

He calls the first Blackfriars railway bridge Alexandra Bridge. But
several other websites say that Alexandra Bridge was the one built by
the SER in 1863-66 to serve Cannon Street Station.

And finally, while Jackson's "London Termini" calls the station
"Blackfriars" on pages 155, 191 and 193, on page 192 he refers to
"This Blackfriars Bridge station".

I would have expected the LCDR to call it Blackfriars originally, in the
way that railway companies named stations after whatever place they were
expecting the traffic to serve, however far away it actually was.
Perhaps they changed it to Blackfriars Bridge after Ludgate Hill opened.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

In article , (Richard J.) wrote:

I would have expected the LCDR to call it Blackfriars originally, in the
way that railway companies named stations after whatever place they
were expecting the traffic to serve, however far away it actually was.
Perhaps they changed it to Blackfriars Bridge after Ludgate Hill
opened.

Sounds quite likely. If so, Clark (who is a mine of information) has not
picked it up - in his section on station name changes the only one he
has is that of the current Blackfriars from St Paul's.

--
Peter Beale

"Peter Beale" wrote in message
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In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:
I would have expected the LCDR to call it Blackfriars originally, in the
way that railway companies named stations after whatever place they
were expecting the traffic to serve, however far away it actually was.
Perhaps they changed it to Blackfriars Bridge after Ludgate Hill
opened.

Sounds quite likely. If so, Clark (who is a mine of information) has not
picked it up - in his section on station name changes the only one he
has is that of the current Blackfriars from St Paul's.
Peter Beale

Thanks to all you guys who responded. I went there today and:-
1. Holborn Viaduct itself was something of a disappointment - it was
probably a much more interesting feature before all the huge office blocks
were built.
2. The length of the platforms at City Thameslink is astonishing as is the
tiny distance between that station and Blackfriars. The train I caught there
today stretched almost all the way between the two stations !!
3. Apart from the sidings to the west of the line between City Thameslink
and Farringdon I couldn't see any trace of other lines.
4. I've bought a map of the area as at 1914 and will be scanning the area in
question - if anybody would like a copy please let me know.
5. Off topic, I know, but what is that awful building with what looks like a
great big square, grey chimney between Holborn Viaduct and Farringdon.
Cheerz,
Baz