PRAR wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:18:22 +0100, Dave Arquati
wrote:


Shame that on Sunday it costs £4 to get from Ongar to Epping, but £2 to
get from there to West Ruislip :-)


On Sunday your £4 got you a return to North Weald, not Epping. IIRC
the return fare Epping - West Ruislip is £3.80.

I was thinking of the Oyster Prepay discount (which is actually £1.80
single so I got it wrong anyway - I was thinking of the 2005 fares!).
The standard single is £3.80.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

(TheOneKEA) wrote in message . com...
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

A dreary DMU running through some flat dreary countryside. Yeah , that'll
have the tourist flocking in in droves. Why did they bother. If they'd
been running old LU rolling stock borrowed from Acton or the Cravens group
with a track connection at Epping it would have been wonderful. But this?
I'll give it a couple of years before the line is derelict again , this time
for good.

B2003

(Boltar) wrote in message . com...
(TheOneKEA) wrote in message . com...
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

A dreary DMU running through some flat dreary countryside. Yeah , that'll
have the tourist flocking in in droves. Why did they bother. If they'd
been running old LU rolling stock borrowed from Acton or the Cravens group
with a track connection at Epping it would have been wonderful. But this?
I'll give it a couple of years before the line is derelict again , this time
for good.

They did have a 62ts at one point, what happened to that? I know it
couldnt run anymore due to no power but it was historically
interesting.

Are they now a TOC then?

"CIG_BIG_CIG" wrote in message
om...
(Boltar) wrote in message
. com...
(TheOneKEA) wrote in message
. com...
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

A dreary DMU running through some flat dreary countryside. Yeah ,
that'll
have the tourist flocking in in droves. Why did they bother. If they'd
been running old LU rolling stock borrowed from Acton or the Cravens
group
with a track connection at Epping it would have been wonderful. But
this?
I'll give it a couple of years before the line is derelict again , this
time
for good.

They did have a 62ts at one point, what happened to that? I know it
couldnt run anymore due to no power but it was historically
interesting.

Are they now a TOC then?

Two sets of 62TS were delivered to Epping-Ongar railway at different times.
The first was vandalised and then scrapped. The replacement was also
scrapped after a couple of years. I wonder why they bothered.

I've not heard anything about a Transport & Works Order so I wonder if EOR
have legal authority yet to run a full public service, rather than the
occasional trial trips which have been done a few times over the years.

The Judean Peoples' Front - sorry! I mean the Ongar Railway Preservation
Society (a rival group), are also still intending to bid for running the
line if it is sold to Essex County Council. God luck to them all.

"umpston" wrote in message ...
"CIG_BIG_CIG" wrote in message
om...
(Boltar) wrote in message
. com...
(TheOneKEA) wrote in message
. com...
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

A dreary DMU running through some flat dreary countryside. Yeah ,
that'll
have the tourist flocking in in droves. Why did they bother. If they'd
been running old LU rolling stock borrowed from Acton or the Cravens
group
with a track connection at Epping it would have been wonderful. But
this?
I'll give it a couple of years before the line is derelict again , this
time
for good.

They did have a 62ts at one point, what happened to that? I know it
couldnt run anymore due to no power but it was historically
interesting.

Are they now a TOC then?

Two sets of 62TS were delivered to Epping-Ongar railway at different times.
The first was vandalised and then scrapped. The replacement was also
scrapped after a couple of years. I wonder why they bothered.

Typical, thanks EORPS for that! That means only 1 unit remains
preserved i think!

I've not heard anything about a Transport & Works Order so I wonder if EOR
have legal authority yet to run a full public service, rather than the
occasional trial trips which have been done a few times over the years.

So that in theory means they cant carry fare paying passengers doesnt
it? Or are they a registered charity, preserved railway or something?

The Judean Peoples' Front - sorry! I mean the Ongar Railway Preservation
Society (a rival group), are also still intending to bid for running the
line if it is sold to Essex County Council. God luck to them all.

All this competition just for Epping to Ongar?

(Boltar) wrote in message . com...
(TheOneKEA) wrote in message . com...
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

A dreary DMU running through some flat dreary countryside. Yeah , that'll
have the tourist flocking in in droves. Why did they bother.

Because the EORPS, past sins aside, feels that some folks really do
want to ride a so-called "dreary DMU" through the Essex countryside.
If half of their newfounnd plans come to frutition they may have
something on their hands.

If they'd
been running old LU rolling stock borrowed from Acton or the Cravens group
with a track connection at Epping it would have been wonderful.

Unlikely. The HSE (or the HMRI) would have killed them through
cottonesque nanny-state policies WRT unshielded third and fourth rail.
Best case, they would have had to use side- or bottom-contact power
rails, and get new shoegear for all of their old LU stock. Worst case
- no rails. Which seems to have happened.

But this?
I'll give it a couple of years before the line is derelict again , this time
for good.

B2003

As I said previously, past sins aside I hope the EORPS really is able
to get things going again.

(TheOneKEA) wrote in message . com...
A dreary DMU running through some flat dreary countryside. Yeah , that'll
have the tourist flocking in in droves. Why did they bother.

Because the EORPS, past sins aside, feels that some folks really do
want to ride a so-called "dreary DMU" through the Essex countryside.
If half of their newfounnd plans come to frutition they may have
something on their hands.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I like preserved railways but this
holds zero interest for me. If I want to ride on some knackered DMU there
are plenty still running on the national network through much more
spectactular scenery.


If they'd
been running old LU rolling stock borrowed from Acton or the Cravens group
with a track connection at Epping it would have been wonderful.

Unlikely. The HSE (or the HMRI) would have killed them through
cottonesque nanny-state policies WRT unshielded third and fourth rail.

Possibly. But I like to think that even the idiots at the HSE would have
allowed it if it was a simple continuation of the Central Line albeit under
different ownership.

As I said previously, past sins aside I hope the EORPS really is able
to get things going again.

Well its taken 10 years just to get a DMU to run. And unlike other preserved
lines they didn't even have to relay any track! Call me a cynic but like I
said in another post , in 10 years time the line will be derelict again IMO.

B2003

"Boltar" wrote in message
m...

Well its taken 10 years just to get a DMU to run.
And unlike other preserved
lines they didn't even have to relay any track!

They lowered the alignment beneath the M11 - not a small task.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

"John Rowland" wrote in message ...
"Boltar" wrote in message
m...

Well its taken 10 years just to get a DMU to run.
And unlike other preserved
lines they didn't even have to relay any track!

They lowered the alignment beneath the M11 - not a small task.

That never prevented them running services from North Weald to Ongar
which is all they're doing now anyway.
B2003

In message , TheOneKEA
writes
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

I work in North Weald and personally, I'd like to see a proper LU
service return to this route. Selfish I know, but It's a bloody nuisance
trying to park at Epping when I have to go into the city, 'specially
when I could walk to North Weald station.

Given that John Prescott is going to approve a massive home building in
this area coupled with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport,
in the long term, returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Simon