In message , TheOneKEA
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Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

I work in North Weald and personally, I'd like to see a proper LU
service return to this route. Selfish I know, but It's a bloody nuisance
trying to park at Epping when I have to go into the city, 'specially
when I could walk to North Weald station.

Given that John Prescott is going to approve a massive home building in
this area coupled with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport,
in the long term, returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Simon

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:34:33 +0100, simon
wrote:


I work in North Weald and personally, I'd like to see a proper LU
service return to this route. Selfish I know, but It's a bloody nuisance
trying to park at Epping when I have to go into the city, 'specially
when I could walk to North Weald station.

There seemed to be a very large car park at Epping station, and on a
weekday quite a few buses between Epping and Ongar via North Weald.



Given that John Prescott is going to approve a massive home building in
this area coupled with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport,
in the long term, returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.


Sense is no use to the railway, money is the key.

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In message , PRAR
writes
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:34:33 +0100, simon
wrote:


I work in North Weald and personally, I'd like to see a proper LU
service return to this route. Selfish I know, but It's a bloody nuisance
trying to park at Epping when I have to go into the city, 'specially
when I could walk to North Weald station.

There seemed to be a very large car park at Epping station, and on a
weekday quite a few buses between Epping and Ongar via North Weald.

Large car park true... usually full-up by 8.00am.




Given that John Prescott is going to approve a massive home building in
this area coupled with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport,
in the long term, returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.


Sense is no use to the railway, money is the key.

Point taken.

Simon

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, simon wrote:

with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport, in the long term,
returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Hang on, just how much are they planning to extend Stansted? I make it
about 20 km from the airport to Ongar ...

tom

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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, simon wrote:

with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport, in the long
term, returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Hang on, just how much are they planning to extend Stansted? I make it
about 20 km from the airport to Ongar ...


Some modern aircraft need very long runways.


:-)

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, simon wrote:

with the almost certain expansion of Stansted
airport, in the long term, returning the
Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Hang on, just how much are they planning to extend
Stansted? I make it about 20 km from the airport to Ongar ...

I believe he meant that a bigger Stansted will need more staff, and they
will have to live somewhere and have a way of travelling from their homes to
Stansted.

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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, John Rowland wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, simon wrote:

with the almost certain expansion of Stansted
airport, in the long term, returning the
Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Hang on, just how much are they planning to extend
Stansted? I make it about 20 km from the airport to Ongar ...

I believe he meant that a bigger Stansted will need more staff, and they
will have to live somewhere and have a way of travelling from their
homes to Stansted.

Ongar to Stansted via Liverpool Street doesn't seem a completely brilliant
idea. Ongar to Stansted via Stratford (using the planned Lea Valley Line
service) isn't hugely better. A direct coach is going to beat that pretty
easily.

tom

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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, John Rowland wrote:


"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, simon wrote:


with the almost certain expansion of Stansted
airport, in the long term, returning the
Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Hang on, just how much are they planning to extend
Stansted? I make it about 20 km from the airport to Ongar ...

I believe he meant that a bigger Stansted will need more staff, and they
will have to live somewhere and have a way of travelling from their
homes to Stansted.


Ongar to Stansted via Liverpool Street doesn't seem a completely brilliant
idea. Ongar to Stansted via Stratford (using the planned Lea Valley Line
service) isn't hugely better. A direct coach is going to beat that pretty
easily.

tom

Have you ever tried to get anywhere from Ongar by bus?

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, James Looker wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, John Rowland wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, simon wrote:

with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport, in the long
term, returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Hang on, just how much are they planning to extend Stansted? I make
it about 20 km from the airport to Ongar ...

I believe he meant that a bigger Stansted will need more staff, and
they will have to live somewhere and have a way of travelling from
their homes to Stansted.

Ongar to Stansted via Liverpool Street doesn't seem a completely
brilliant idea. Ongar to Stansted via Stratford (using the planned Lea
Valley Line service) isn't hugely better. A direct coach is going to
beat that pretty easily.

Have you ever tried to get anywhere from Ongar by bus?

Have you ever tried to get anywhere from Ongar by tube?

Comparing a completely new rail service to existing bus services is a
strawman argument. If Stansted workers started to live in Ongar, the
invisible hand would work to establish effective transport links for them.

I can't believe i just wrote that with a straight face.

tom

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In message ,
Tom Anderson writes
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, simon wrote:

with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport, in the long term,
returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Hang on, just how much are they planning to extend Stansted? I make it
about 20 km from the airport to Ongar ...

tom


The proposals are for 1, 2 and 3 extra runways.

Yes, Ongar is 20km from Stansted but is effectively only 1 stop up the
M11 (via A414) and hence, the need for extra housing within reasonable
access to the airport. Apart from the M11, the Cambridge - Liverpool St
line (spur to the airport) rail link is the only transport link to
London - and it's not that reliable! Mind you, is any rail service ;-)

Airport workers living around the North Weald / Ongar area might benefit
from a direct public transport link to London.

Simon