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"Silas Denyer" wrote in message
m... Last week I had to drive (in a car) across London. I made a note of all cyclists I saw with red traffic lights against them, and their behaviour. Of 182 I encountered on my (fairly long and, as you'll gather, dull) drive, only 8 stopped at a red light against them - less than 5%. Right. If you were really making such meticulous notes of cyclists, you couldn't have been paying proper attention to your own driving. Personally I think the only solution is compulsory registration of bicycles, with clearly-displayed plates, or perhaps compulsory registration of the riders (plate on the back of a mandatory reflective jacket, perhaps). This isn't trivial law-breaking - this is anarchy in which business, the police, and the general public are wholesale ignoring the law of the land, and frequently endangering the lives of pedestrians (yes, lives - cyclist hitting pedestrian can and does result in death). Who wants to join my petition? Not me. Get a life. |
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:04:21 +0100 someone who may be "Solar
Penguin" wrote this:- Never heard of "triage"? I have. The priority is to start with the threat that's most easily dealt with and once that's out of the way, you'll have more freedom to deal with the more complicated threats. Really. Meanwhile the more complicated will probably have died. Next contestant please. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:38:06 +0100 someone who may be "Solar
Penguin" wrote this:- If I don't get an answer this time, I'm just gonna killfile this whole thread, because there's no point even trying to discuss things sensibly with people who aren't even prepared to answer a simple question. Yawn. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:32:23 +0100 someone who may be "Solar
Penguin" wrote this:- good old fashioned common sense? "Common sense" is very common. However, that does not mean it is sensible. Strange how the so-called bigotry makes more sense than your response too I note that your loud words do not amount to a reasoned criticism of Guy's page. Had you a better response I suspect that you would have made it. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Tony Raven wrote:
Ningi wrote: Well, my experience of cycling from Waterloo to Bank several times a week is that at least 75% of cyclists go straight through red lights. If the same numbers applied to cars, then 75% of the time, a car arriving at a red light should jump it. This isn't even remotely the case. I can't actually remember when I last saw a car jump a red, whereas I find it a rarity when I see a cyclist, other than me, who stopped for one. That would accord with my experience with cars. Lights go red, three cars carry on, fourth car stops, rest have to stop behind it. With cyclists and the same percentage you would see 10 cyclists approach, 3 cross on red, fourth stops, next three cycle past stopped cyclist to cross on red etc. So with a 75% disobedience rate for both you would see three out of all the cars approaching the red light carry on but 75% of all cyclists. Well, I've just had a rather nice Italian meal with plenty of Montepulciano, so I'll take this further ![]() You're making the assumption that the cars behind the one that stopped would all have preferred to run the red light. I don't think this is supportable. It's just as plausible that the 4th car decided not to run the light because it was no longer safe, and the subsequent vehicles would have made the same decision. Always tough trying to guess what people are thinking. As a general point though.. Cars running red lights tend to do it as the light is changing to red. Many cyclists will run a red light regardless of the colour when they actually arrive at the signal. I think these are significantly different behaviours. Pete |
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On 17/10/04 12:12 am, in article
, "Ningi" wrote: As a general point though.. Cars running red lights tend to do it as the light is changing to red. Many cyclists will run a red light regardless of the colour when they actually arrive at the signal. I think these are significantly different behaviours. Absolutely. Cars will speed up to charge across a red light. Cyclists will slow down and cross if safe[1]. ...d [1] safe does not imply pleasant for those around |
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"Mait001" wrote in message
... This is nonsense: cycling on pavements is not only dangerous but anti-social. Always? How does a carefully-ridden bicycle on a pavement differ from, for example, a wheelchair? People EXPECT fast-moving traffic on roads and take the appropriate precautions. They do not (and should not) EXPECT to encounter fast-moving traffic on pavements. If pedestrians are so scared of cyclists, why do they often walk on designated cycle paths when alternatives are available? I refer to Stevenage, which has a comprehensive system of cycle paths and pavements, all of which are segregated from each other and from roads. Needless to say it's *very* common to see people walking on the cycle path. sigh |
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David Martin wrote:
On 17/10/04 12:12 am, in article , "Ningi" wrote: As a general point though.. Cars running red lights tend to do it as the light is changing to red. Many cyclists will run a red light regardless of the colour when they actually arrive at the signal. I think these are significantly different behaviours. Absolutely. Cars will speed up to charge across a red light. Cyclists will slow down and cross if safe[1]. I regularly don'r see much slowing down taking place. It is equally common for cyclists to continue through the light at the pace they arrived at. Pete ..d [1] safe does not imply pleasant for those around |
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Martin Smith wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:50:25 GMT, ningi wrote: davek wrote: Silas Denyer wrote: Personally I think the only solution is compulsory registration of bicycles, with clearly-displayed plates Cars have those and it doesn't stop their drivers jumping red lights or driving on the pavement. Well, cars don't jump red lights with anything like the frequency that bikes do in London, so perhaps it does. you obviously haven't been to South London recently ![]() Apart from living there ![]() Well, SW London. Pete Pete |
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