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October 17th 04, 08:58 AM
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Institutionalised law-breaking using bikes - anarchy isnearat hand
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October 17th 04, 09:21 AM
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Institutionalised law-breaking using bikes - anarchy isnearat hand
David Martin vaguely muttered something like ...
On 17/10/04 7:43 am, in article , "Paul - xxx" wrote: Oh come on .. you're now using arguments that many cyclists in this newsgroup decry car drivers for ... Just because a manouvre you consider is safe, doesn't mean a) that it _is_ safe Like crossing on green as well? We weren't discussing how safe or not crossing on green is .. and no, just 'cos a traffics green doesn't necessarily mean I consider it's safe to cross, atever the vehicle. Do you think it does ? b) that it is any less illegal. Precisely. See, that's the troubl;e with generalisation .. NOT all car drivers run red lights, NOT all cyclists run red lights. I was pointing out that there is a difference in the way motorists and cyclists jump red lights. Jumping a red light is jumping a red light, and how one does it is immaterial, especially in law. Isn't this the same argument put forward by many cyclists on this newsgroup when car drivers speed? Both sets of road users believe THEY are safe, but can cause havoc for other road users that they cannot or donot see. I've seen a cyclist get run over crossing on red when they also 'thought' it was safe to do so .. didn't make the rider of the motorbike that hit him (which was crosing on a green light) feel any better. SMIDSY works many ways ... I didn't and don't condone doing so. Your post gives that impression. -- Paul ... (8(|) Homer Rules !!! "A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using." |
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October 17th 04, 12:42 PM
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Institutionalised law-breaking using bikes - anarchy isnearathand
On 17/10/04 10:21 am, in article , "Paul - xxx"
wrote: Jumping a red light is jumping a red light, and how one does it is immaterial, especially in law. No, how one does it is immaterial in law. Otherwise it matters enormously how one does it (should one do such a thing which I do not condone). ...d |
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