It seems that at least every week there are ticket checks at Vauxhall
Victoria line station. I am not sure that I see the point of
constantly checking the valitity of a ticket when the gate would
reject an invalid ticket.
This morning there was a dangerous mass of people congergrating at the
top of the escalator resulting in a lot of pushing and shoving as
everybody had their tickets visually checked.
What are they expecting to find?

Kevin

If what you say is correct it is against all procedures.....circulating
areas, particularly at the top of the escalator must be fee flowing to
prevent accidents... I will be there tommorrow morning and have a look.


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It seems that at least every week there are ticket checks at Vauxhall
Victoria line station. I am not sure that I see the point of
constantly checking the valitity of a ticket when the gate would
reject an invalid ticket.
This morning there was a dangerous mass of people congergrating at the
top of the escalator resulting in a lot of pushing and shoving as
everybody had their tickets visually checked.
What are they expecting to find?

Kevin

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If what you say is correct it is against all
procedures.....circulating areas, particularly at the top of the
escalator must be fee flowing to prevent accidents... I will be
there tommorrow morning and have a look.

You are Inspector Sands and ICMFP.

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"Malcolm & Nika" wrote the following in:


If what you say is correct it is against all
procedures.....circulating areas, particularly at the top of the
escalator must be fee flowing to prevent accidents... I will be
there tommorrow morning and have a look.

You are Inspector Sands and ICMFP.

--
message by the incredible Robin May.
"The British don't like successful people" - said by British failures

Who is Abi Titmuss? What is she? Why is she famous?
http://robinmay.fotopic.net

In article ,
says...
If what you say is correct it is against all procedures.....circulating
areas, particularly at the top of the escalator must be fee flowing to
prevent accidents... I will be there tommorrow morning and have a look.


"Kevin" wrote in message
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It seems that at least every week there are ticket checks at Vauxhall
Victoria line station. I am not sure that I see the point of
constantly checking the valitity of a ticket when the gate would
reject an invalid ticket.
This morning there was a dangerous mass of people congergrating at the
top of the escalator resulting in a lot of pushing and shoving as
everybody had their tickets visually checked.
What are they expecting to find?

Kevin



Maybe it's to check on the mature 'children' I frequently observe using
gates at stations.

Jim Brittin [wake up to reply] wrote in message om...
In article ,
says...
If what you say is correct it is against all procedures.....circulating
areas, particularly at the top of the escalator must be fee flowing to
prevent accidents... I will be there tommorrow morning and have a look.


"Kevin" wrote in message
om...
It seems that at least every week there are ticket checks at Vauxhall
Victoria line station. I am not sure that I see the point of
constantly checking the valitity of a ticket when the gate would
reject an invalid ticket.
This morning there was a dangerous mass of people congergrating at the
top of the escalator resulting in a lot of pushing and shoving as
everybody had their tickets visually checked.
What are they expecting to find?

Kevin



Maybe it's to check on the mature 'children' I frequently observe using
gates at stations.

Then why not programme the gates to reject child tickets so that I can
be spared having to show my ticket that I then immediately put into
the gate for checking.
I don't understand what it is they are expecting to find that the
gates wouldn't.

So I went to Vauxhall and checked out what you said.
Sure enough there was a revenue exercise there yesterday.
You ask what it is that they can see that the gates dont?

They are solely checking for people who travel through zone 1 without a zone
1 ticket. This is marked on the ticket with the nice colour triangles...easy
to spot without actually reading the ticket. If it was bought north of the
river in a zone 3 to a zone 2 station it will have north colourings. It will
still let you out in a zone 2 station allowing you to travel through zone 1.
RPI sees the north colour triangles, checks it is valid in Z1....hey presto
if its only a £1 ticket....
Incidentally...they caught heaps.


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Jim Brittin [wake up to reply] wrote in
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In article ,
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If what you say is correct it is against all procedures.....circulating
areas, particularly at the top of the escalator must be fee flowing to
prevent accidents... I will be there tommorrow morning and have a look.


"Kevin" wrote in message
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It seems that at least every week there are ticket checks at Vauxhall
Victoria line station. I am not sure that I see the point of
constantly checking the valitity of a ticket when the gate would
reject an invalid ticket.
This morning there was a dangerous mass of people congergrating at
the
top of the escalator resulting in a lot of pushing and shoving as
everybody had their tickets visually checked.
What are they expecting to find?

Kevin



Maybe it's to check on the mature 'children' I frequently observe using
gates at stations.

Then why not programme the gates to reject child tickets so that I can
be spared having to show my ticket that I then immediately put into
the gate for checking.
I don't understand what it is they are expecting to find that the
gates wouldn't.

"Malcolm & Nika" wrote in message
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They are solely checking for people who travel through zone 1 without a
zone 1 ticket. This is marked on the ticket with the nice colour triangles

What colours are used? And how large are the triangles? I've always had
seasons that include zone 1 so I've not seen them.

Dave

"Malcolm & Nika" writes:
So I went to Vauxhall and checked out what you said.
Sure enough there was a revenue exercise there yesterday.
You ask what it is that they can see that the gates dont?

They are solely checking for people who travel through zone 1
without a zone 1 ticket. This is marked on the ticket with the
nice colour triangles... If it was bought north of the river in
a zone 3 to a zone 2 station it will have north colourings.
It will still let you out in a zone 2 station allowing you to
travel through zone 1.

That makes sense -- except for the part about the gates.

If there are tickets that would be valid in terms of starting and
ending zones alone, but aren't valid for any possible route from the
point of issue to a particular station, why isn't it the case that
(1) the tickets carry enough encoded information for this to be
worked out, and (2) the gates are programmed to reject them?

Of course it gets trickier in cases where *is* a route within the
zones paid for, but it'd be longer than the shortcut through Zone 1,
because the passenger could claim to have taken the long route.
The gates could still detect this if the tickets carried information
about time of use, but then they'd have to know the fastest time
that the long route could take.
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"Malcolm & Nika" wrote in message ...
So I went to Vauxhall and checked out what you said.
Sure enough there was a revenue exercise there yesterday.
You ask what it is that they can see that the gates dont?

They are solely checking for people who travel through zone 1 without a zone
1 ticket. This is marked on the ticket with the nice colour triangles...easy
to spot without actually reading the ticket. If it was bought north of the
river in a zone 3 to a zone 2 station it will have north colourings. It will
still let you out in a zone 2 station allowing you to travel through zone 1.
RPI sees the north colour triangles, checks it is valid in Z1....hey presto
if its only a £1 ticket....
Incidentally...they caught heaps.

So is the coding on a paper ticket not smart enough to establish that
a journey is made across zone 1. It seems pretty fundemental to me. If
you buy a zone 2 ticket at say Chalk Farm then travel to Vauxhall then
you must have crossed zone 1. The gates have only been around for
about 15 years, couldn't that check have been part of the programme or
am I missing something here. Do the gates only check the validity of
the date and that the exit zone matches the zone on the ticket.

Kevin