In article , James Looker
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Dave Arquati wrote:
Richard Adamfi wrote:

What do you think of the new advert?

Richard Adamfi

For anyone who hasn't seen it, if you have a fast connection you
can see it from he

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/press-re...ress-pn%201214
.shtml Nicely done. But I'm not convinced it will persuade
suburbanites to leave their cars at home. And I rarely see a bus lane
work as well as the one in the video - in central London your journey
is as likely to be held up by other buses and taxis as it is by cars!
Do many suburban routes have all-day bus lanes?

Buses are shocking forms of transport, dirty, getting more exspensive
all the time and total crap in outer London. I teach in S Croydon and
commute from Grove Park, near Bromley. A bus journey would tkae a ten
minute walk to the correct bus stop this end, then at least two buses
to the other end before another ten minute walk - A 25 - 30 minute
journey in my car becomes well over an hour by bus. No thanks.

Hmmm. Well, I live on the opposite side of London, and often use buses
to get to restaurants, the pub and to switch stations when one or other
line has problems.

I've never noticed them to be particularly dirty - certainly no more so
than an average minicab - and the services seem to run to time, pretty
much.

As I have a 1-5 travel card, I've already paid to use them, so the car
stays on the drive Monday to Friday, mostly. Unless I'm feeling like a
lazy git, or am moving a load (like the shopping).

In central London, congestion charging has made buses a realistic option
against a cab when I go (as I do most weeks) from Holborn Circus to
Trafalgar Sq. About five minutes slower, but £7 cheaper.

I don't think you've really used buses lately...

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Steve wrote:

Hmmm. Well, I live on the opposite side of London, and often use buses
to get to restaurants, the pub and to switch stations when one or other
line has problems.

I've never noticed them to be particularly dirty - certainly no more so
than an average minicab - and the services seem to run to time, pretty
much.

As I have a 1-5 travel card, I've already paid to use them, so the car
stays on the drive Monday to Friday, mostly. Unless I'm feeling like a
lazy git, or am moving a load (like the shopping).

In central London, congestion charging has made buses a realistic option
against a cab when I go (as I do most weeks) from Holborn Circus to
Trafalgar Sq. About five minutes slower, but £7 cheaper.

I don't think you've really used buses lately...

I wouldn't go anywhere near as far as the poster you were replying to,
but I do feel buses need a lot of work outside central London. There
seems to be this perceived wisdom gathering gravitas, as such things do,
that buses are so much better recently. I don't think this is true for
areas outside the centre, and particularly areas that are dependent on
road travel. I have noticed more buses, which are welcome, but outside
central London they are still dogged by the same infrastructure we had
before, with congestion rendering them quite infuriating to use, and
there still not being enough on certain routes.

Dan

"Dan Gravell" wrote in message
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I wouldn't go anywhere near as far as the poster you were replying to,

I would. Once you've cycled around central London, you'd never use any form
of public transport again. King's Cross Suburban station to Aldwych, 8
mins - literally door-to-door.

David Splett wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 25 Oct 2004:

I would. Once you've cycled around central London, you'd never use any form
of public transport again.

Probably because you are now dead.

Sorry, but someone I loved was knocked off her bicycle and killed - I
hate it that my husband continues to cycle, and I will not do so in
London again.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 26 September 2004

Mrs Redboots typed


David Splett wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 25 Oct 2004:

I would. Once you've cycled around central London, you'd never use any form
of public transport again.

I wish! Actually I'm fairly happy with the buses, though some drivers do
seem to treat their job like something out of 'Wacky Races'!

Probably because you are now dead.

No I'm not! Nor is my partner!

I don't cycle anywhere now cos of my MS.
My partner cycles everywhere.
Neither of us has been injured cycling.

Sorry, but someone I loved was knocked off her bicycle and killed - I
hate it that my husband continues to cycle, and I will not do so in
London again.

Even though there are more deaths and injuries per mile in the countryside...

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

Mrs Redboots wrote:

Sorry, but someone I loved was knocked off her bicycle and killed - I
hate it that my husband continues to cycle, and I will not do so in
London again.

And one of my dearest friends was killed driving a car, so I would
advise you not to set foot in one again. People also die in buses and
airplanes so you should really knock that off as well.
--
Michael Hoffman

Michael Hoffman wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 25 Oct 2004:

Mrs Redboots wrote:

Sorry, but someone I loved was knocked off her bicycle and killed - I
hate it that my husband continues to cycle, and I will not do so in
London again.

And one of my dearest friends was killed driving a car, so I would
advise you not to set foot in one again. People also die in buses and
airplanes so you should really knock that off as well.

Rarely, in planes - safest form of travel there is. And I know that
after we had a minor shunt in our car, it was a very long time before I
could relax in one - as one of my friends now cannot, since she, too,
had a shunt.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 26 September 2004

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:51:12 +0100, Michael Hoffman
wrote:


And one of my dearest friends was killed driving a car, so I would
advise you not to set foot in one again. People also die in buses and
airplanes so you should really knock that off as well.

As for going to bed, don't even think about it...
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Sorry, but someone I loved was knocked off her bicycle and killed - I
hate it that my husband continues to cycle, and I will not do so in
London again.
Someone you loved could equally have been killed just crossing the road,
I've cycled around for a living for the past 2 years and am
conspicuously not dead. It may have hurt, but your attitude doesn't make
sense, she could equally have been killed crossing the road ... would
you never do that again?

JamJar wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 31 Oct 2004:


Sorry, but someone I loved was knocked off her bicycle and killed - I
hate it that my husband continues to cycle, and I will not do so in
London again.
Someone you loved could equally have been killed just crossing the
road, I've cycled around for a living for the past 2 years and am
conspicuously not dead. It may have hurt, but your attitude doesn't
make sense, she could equally have been killed crossing the road ...
would you never do that again?

A heck of a lot less likely. When you are crossing the road, you make
absolutely sure - at least, I do - that no cars are coming at you from
any direction (the odd bike is occasionally missed!). But on a bicycle,
you can't stop at every side-street to look whether some pillock is
going to pull out into your path without noticing you. At least you
could, but I've never seen a cyclist do so - some of them even fail to
stop when they *don't* have the right of way, never mind when they do.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 31 October 2004