On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Graham J wrote:

We had a very brief argument about this a month or so ago; Barry Salter
said they did, i said they didn't, and Clive threatened to excavate as
much of north London as was necessary to find out.

This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice that
according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is indeed a little way
south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably too far to build a station with
interchange, though.

There is also the diagram of Finsbury Park station at
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro.../ltfinpark.gif which shows
that north of the station the Victoria Line climbs over the Piccadilly
Line and so is on the west of it. Therefore if you accept the diagram
is accurate there has to be a crossing of the lines sooner or later.

Are you suggesting i should take as the truth a 'map' posted on John
Rowland's website? Be gone with you, sir!

Seriously, though, cheers for the link.

Hang on, 'existing Northern City Line platforms used for southbound
Victoria Line & southbound Piccadilly'? I never realised that; i'd read
about the line being bottled up in a tube station under FP for political
reasons, but i hadn't twigged it meant *the* station. Are there still
tracks from it to the tube?

tom

--
see im down wid yo sci fi crew

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
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This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice
that according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is
indeed a little way south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably
too far to build a station with interchange, though.

I'd always assumed they cross somewhere between Manor House station and
Woodberry Grove, where there are shafts down to both lines. Woodberry Grove
is quite a way north of Harringay Green Lanes, IIRC.

David Splett wrote:

I'd always assumed they cross somewhere between Manor House station and
Woodberry Grove, where there are shafts down to both lines. Woodberry Grove
is quite a way north of Harringay Green Lanes, IIRC.

Woodbury Grove joins Green Lanes just north of Manor House, and several
hundred yards south of Harringay Green Lanes.

--
Phil Richards
Stroud Green, London, UK
Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

"Phil Richards" wrote in message
T...

David Splett wrote:
I'd always assumed they cross somewhere between Manor House station and
Woodberry Grove, where there are shafts down to both lines. Woodberry
Grove
is quite a way north of Harringay Green Lanes, IIRC.

Woodbury Grove joins Green Lanes just north of Manor House, and several
hundred yards south of Harringay Green Lanes.

Sorry, you're absolutely right - I means *south* of HGL.


DS.

"David Splett" wrote in message
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"Phil Richards" wrote in message
T...
David Splett wrote:

I'd always assumed they cross somewhere between Manor House station
and
Woodberry Grove, where there are shafts down to both lines. Woodberry
Grove
is quite a way north of Harringay Green Lanes, IIRC.

Woodbury Grove joins Green Lanes just north of Manor House, and several
hundred yards south of Harringay Green Lanes.

Sorry, you're absolutely right - I means *south* of HGL.

If I can add to this discussion, my AtoZ of c 1970 shows the two lines at
Manor House. The Victoria line appears to cross the Picadilly line at about
the junction of Wells Terrace and Stroud Green Road, and again on the NE
corner of Green Lanes and Seven Sisters Road. There is another crossing to
the west of the junction of Gillespie Road and Drayton Park. That is three
crossings in all.
--
Terry Harper, Web Co-ordinator, The Omnibus Society
75th Anniversary 2004, see http://www.omnibussoc.org/75th.htm
E-mail:
URL: http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/

Tom Anderson wrote:

This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice that
according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is indeed a little way
south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably too far to build a station with
interchange, though.

On a more general note, how can one go about getting accurate information
about the routes of underground railways? Are there some sort of official
maps somewhere?

Referring to the fold out maps in the now discontinued TfL "Out & About
Guides", the lines cross somewhere in the vicinity of Eade Road & Vale
Road, just north of the Woodbury Down Estate.

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Tom Anderson wrote:

We had a very brief argument about this a month or so ago; Barry Salter
said they did, i said they didn't, and Clive threatened to excavate as
much of north London as was necessary to find out.

This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice that
according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is indeed a little way
south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably too far to build a station with
interchange, though.

This crossing is also shown on the Quail London Transport Railway Track
Map (fifth edition, 1995) - just to the north of Manor House station.
This map only covers Underground and Docklands lines, so Harringay Green
Lanes is not shown on it.

--
John Ray