Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

IIRC, there's a class of mainline train that has a *fake* push button on
it[*]. Nevertheless, the DDA Mafia insisted that it have a Braille
label.

[*] There's a good reason for this - the door in question is operated by
breaking a light beam. If your body doesn't break the beam, reaching out
to the button will.

That'd be all the Adtranz kit - when it's working - Electrostars, Turbostars
and the likes. I always thought that the Danish approach on the IC3s of
showing a pictogram of someone waving their hand in front of the door was
better, as that's far more likely to activate the (rather pathetic) sensor
than reaching for the "button" with one finger.

Neil
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Neil Williams wrote the following
in:

Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

IIRC, there's a class of mainline train that has a *fake* push
button on it[*]. Nevertheless, the DDA Mafia insisted that it
have a Braille label.

[*] There's a good reason for this - the door in question is
operated by breaking a light beam. If your body doesn't break the
beam, reaching out to the button will.

That'd be all the Adtranz kit - when it's working - Electrostars,
Turbostars and the likes. I always thought that the Danish
approach on the IC3s of showing a pictogram of someone waving
their hand in front of the door was better, as that's far more
likely to activate the (rather pathetic) sensor than reaching for
the "button" with one finger.

Does that mean that the buttons on the trains used by C2C don't
actually do anything?

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Clive Feather:
IIRC, there's a class of mainline train that has a *fake* push button on
it ...
There's a good reason for this - the door in question is operated by
breaking a light beam. If your body doesn't break the beam, reaching out
to the button will.

Neil Williams:
That'd be all the Adtranz kit - when it's working - Electrostars, Turbostars
and the likes.

Well, which is supposed to break the beam -- your body or your extended
hand? Where are the lamp and sensor placed in relation to the door?

Are these the doors for walking from one car to the next?
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Toronto Time to innovate!"
-- Ian Darwin and David Keldsen

Robin May wrote:

Does that mean that the buttons on the trains used by C2C don't
actually do anything?

Only the ones on the inside of the corridor connections between coaches.
Have a look next time you travel - the ones that look like stickers
actually are!

(In answer to the other poster, the beam seems to be pointed straight down
in front of the door, so you have to approach very close to it before it is
activated).

Neil
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Mark Brader wrote:

Well, which is supposed to break the beam -- your body or your extended
hand? Where are the lamp and sensor placed in relation to the door?

The sensor is above the door. I suspect it's ultrasonic or passive
infra-red rather than a reflected beam, as there's nothing I can see for it
to reflect off.

I'm not sure what the intention is - but the design seems to be a poor one.

Are these the doors for walking from one car to the next?

Yes.

Neil
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in:

Robin May wrote:

Does that mean that the buttons on the trains used by C2C don't
actually do anything?

Only the ones on the inside of the corridor connections between
coaches. Have a look next time you travel - the ones that look
like stickers actually are!

Oh, so only the bits between those two doors, between the carriages? I
never noticed there were fake buttons, I always just reached up and
waved my hand under the sensor.

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"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...
(In answer to the other poster, the beam seems to be pointed straight down
in front of the door, so you have to approach very close to it before it
is
activated).

Ah, same as on the 365s, then. A bit of a design flaw, but most seem to cope
with it okay.

The best feature on those is the button on the other side, which only works
if you press it gently. The attention-seeker types who go up to it and press
hard and loudly simply end up looking like the fools that they are!

Boltar wrote:
Stuck in a traffic jam again this morning caused (surprise surprise)
by a bus crawling along the road and stopping in the middle of it even when
it could pull into the bus stop, I suddenly wondered why it was deemed
necessary to have a bus stop every 200 hundred metres. Are the people who
use the bus too bone idle to be able to walk more than the length of a
football pitch to get to the stop? Reducing the stops by half would mean that
the jam I was in (and probably hundreds of others) would move at double the
speed (maybe even the heady heights of 15mph, woo!). Surely this would be
one way of reducing jams in the city? (And anyone who tells me that I should
be in the bus instead of my car anyway can just save their typing right now
because if they think I'm changing twice and spending probably 90 mins in 3
juddering buses and waiting in the rain to travel 9 miles they're living in
dreamland. If the tube or train was an option I'd use them but they arn't.)

B2003


London is now the City of The Bus. Any proposal made to any local
authority in London, or to TfL, as long as it contains the word BUS will
be welcomed with open arms and adopted. It doesn't matter if it is
sensible or not. It doesn't even matter if it makes for better bus
journeys or not, just so long as a superficial, unintelligent view of it
makes it look bus-positive.

If all this was done intelligently, with better planned routes, lanes,
etc then it could end up being a good thing, but I have no hopes...

What a pity it is isn't politically fashionable to make London the City
of The Great Tube/Train Services.

--
Nick H (UK)

On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

IIRC, there's a class of mainline train that has a *fake* push button on
it[*].

[*] There's a good reason for this - the door in question is operated by
breaking a light beam. If your body doesn't break the beam, reaching out
to the button will.

Surely the button could still be a real button - then, if the beam's duff
(which it most assuredly will be one day), you can still open the door.

tom

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"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...
Mark Brader wrote:

Well, which is supposed to break the beam -- your body or your extended
hand? Where are the lamp and sensor placed in relation to the door?

The sensor is above the door. I suspect it's ultrasonic or passive
infra-red rather than a reflected beam, as there's nothing I can see for
it
to reflect off.

I'm not sure what the intention is - but the design seems to be a poor
one.

Isn't it so the doors open only when someone wants to use them rather than
every time anyone moves in the vacinity? If not, they seem to do that job
quite well by happy coincidence.

Shane