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Marc Brett wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 8 Nov 2004:
On 8 Nov 2004 08:49:56 -0800, (Buttoneer) wrote: I'm getting really quite fed up with the different crazy bus lane rules all over even small parts of London. What's the problem with making them all 24/7? Seriously. When traffic is heavy, the buses get a lane to themselves, as it should be. When traffic is light, there's no need for cars to use the extra lane anyway. And, of course, it ends the confusion of when it is or is not a bus lane. And when it is not in use as a bus lane there's usually cars parked all over it so it's unusable by moving traffic anyway. -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 6 November 2004 with new photos |
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Colum Mylod wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 00:16:41 -0000, "John Rowland" wrote: "Marc Brett" wrote in message .. . On 8 Nov 2004 08:49:56 -0800, (Buttoneer) wrote: I'm getting really quite fed up with the different crazy bus lane rules all over even small parts of London. What's the problem with making them all 24/7? The problem is that one is not currently allowed to use bus lanes for undertaking a car waiting to turn right. What about using them when a carriageway is blocked by police horse boxes? Shepherd's Bush Road for example, when they take over the northbound side for boxes, traffic displaced to the middle (s/b) lane, s/b traffic uses bus lane. And much use of bus lane to pass the rat runners turning right. (The bus lane is policed occasionally by plod hiding behind a bus shelter; lots of drivers crane necks to check if the coast is clear and use the last 1/2 mi stretch if so). What's the problem with people just staying out of bus lanes unless they've read the sign and checked the hours? TBH it's one more thing to decode: the signs are not standardised. As others have said, some are 24h, some are Mon-Sun, some are At All Times, some are At Any Time (when's that?) and the mix of 7-10 4-7 means distractions. California has no problem with controlled green ticks and red Xs to control use of HOV lanes. London has missed a trick here IMHO. If the road is heavily laden, keep the bus lane reserved for longer with a red X (or indeed if emergency access is needed); same with the congestion zone: illuminate the red C in control times. That's exactly it. If you're on a road with a part time bus lane and are familiar with the hours of operation it's easy to just pop into that lane and buzz up the inside lane. What it doesn't help with is the occasional (and you do get them) vigilante driver who thinks it is his or her duty to try and block both lanes simply to prevent you from doing something 'cheeky' and because they have not read the sign properly. Happened to me more than once. And no, I don't do it when the traffic is moving. Some of these signs are really very hard to decipher and/or take in when you go past them on the entry to the controlled area. And then you get those people who are in the right hand lane (because they've not read the sign) and who suddenly decide they need to turn left in front of you with little warning. They should (and could) have been in the left lane and out of harms way. Clear signage, whatever the rules, has got to be the way forward. Personally, I'd prefer to see the hours standardised so everyone can tell at any a glance what the rules are for the road at any one time. |
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On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:47:17, Marc Brett wrote:
On 8 Nov 2004 08:49:56 -0800, (Buttoneer) wrote: I'm getting really quite fed up with the different crazy bus lane rules all over even small parts of London. What's the problem with making them all 24/7? Seriously. When traffic is heavy, the buses get a lane to themselves, as it should be. When traffic is light, there's no need for cars to use the extra lane anyway. And, of course, it ends the confusion of when it is or is not a bus lane. I'd go with that - as long as motor-cycles can use bus lanes at all times... (A motor-bike has *never* been known to hold up a bus, at least that's what Google leads me to believe.) -- Jim Crowther "It's MY computer" (tm SMG) Always learning. |
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Jim Crowther wrote in message ...
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:47:17, Marc Brett wrote: On 8 Nov 2004 08:49:56 -0800, (Buttoneer) wrote: I'm getting really quite fed up with the different crazy bus lane rules all over even small parts of London. What's the problem with making them all 24/7? Seriously. When traffic is heavy, the buses get a lane to themselves, as it should be. When traffic is light, there's no need for cars to use the extra lane anyway. And, of course, it ends the confusion of when it is or is not a bus lane. I'd go with that - as long as motor-cycles can use bus lanes at all times... (A motor-bike has *never* been known to hold up a bus, at least that's what Google leads me to believe.) Motor-bikes using bus-lanes are more likely to be involved in accidents because they go faster than the traffic in the outside lane and may not be obvious to other drivers and pedestrians until it is too late (not always the rider's fault - but the risk is there just the same). The buses also go faster but are much bigger and easier to see. And would you agree with 24hr bus lanes if you owned a small business along a bus route? Part-time bus lanes may not be ideal, but are a necessary compromise, unless you only want to shop at supermarkets. |
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:50:58, UM Pston wrote:
Jim Crowther wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:47:17, Marc Brett wrote: On 8 Nov 2004 08:49:56 -0800, (Buttoneer) wrote: I'm getting really quite fed up with the different crazy bus lane rules all over even small parts of London. What's the problem with making them all 24/7? Seriously. When traffic is heavy, the buses get a lane to themselves, as it should be. When traffic is light, there's no need for cars to use the extra lane anyway. And, of course, it ends the confusion of when it is or is not a bus lane. I'd go with that - as long as motor-cycles can use bus lanes at all times... (A motor-bike has *never* been known to hold up a bus, at least that's what Google leads me to believe.) Motor-bikes using bus-lanes are more likely to be involved in accidents because they go faster than the traffic in the outside lane and may not be obvious to other drivers and pedestrians until it is too late (not always the rider's fault - but the risk is there just the same). A biker would be foolish to 'roar' up the inside - they should use the same care as when filtering at any time. 10-15mph faster than the slow-moving or stationary traffic as a maximum. The buses also go faster but are much bigger and easier to see. And would you agree with 24hr bus lanes if you owned a small business along a bus route? Part-time bus lanes may not be ideal, but are a necessary compromise, unless you only want to shop at supermarkets. Granted. Personally I always check the bus-lane info, as often the cars haven't spotted it's open for business, and sometimes bikes are allowed anyway. ![]() Indeed, not using an available bus lane when it is 'out-of-hours' is a 'minor' failure point on a driving test (car or bike). -- Jim Crowther "It's MY computer" (tm SMG) Always learning. |
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:47:17 +0000, Marc Brett wrote:
On 8 Nov 2004 08:49:56 -0800, (Buttoneer) wrote: What's the problem with making them all 24/7? Seriously. When traffic is heavy, the buses get a lane to themselves, as it should be. When traffic is light, there's no need for cars to use the extra lane anyway. And, of course, it ends the confusion of when it is or is not a bus lane. you clearly don't have a buslane out side your shop/house -- u n d e r a c h i e v e r |
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