"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
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You are right about the lack of direct tube services; unfortunately,
the obvious choice of changing at Warren Street requires hiking
through the station. Too bad that Crossrail 3 will be opened after the
sun has burnt out...

But it depends what you mean by the "obvious" route by tube. The best one is
Bakerloo line to Oxford Circus, then cross-platform to the Victoria. Though
I agree that isn't all that apparent from the map.

Regards

Jonathan

(TheOneKEA) wrote in message . com...
Paul Terry wrote in message ...
In message , Alex
Terrell writes

The Daily Telegraph reports that Eurostar will quit Waterloo in 2007.

I think this is a good idea. Even from Waterloo, it would be quicket
to take the tube to St Pancras and then take a fast Eurostar.

There's no direct tube! It ought to be quicker to take the Jubilee
direct from Waterloo to Stratford and pick-up Eurostar there. However,
the interchange at Stratford looks as though it is going to be poor.

Actually, it won't. If the Stratford International DLR link is mooted,
passengers will have level access from the Jubbly terminus to the
former westbound NLL platform, where they can catch the DLR to the
International station.

You are right about the lack of direct tube services; unfortunately,
the obvious choice of changing at Warren Street requires hiking
through the station. Too bad that Crossrail 3 will be opened after the
sun has burnt out...

Why Warren St? If you really want to catch two tubes, use the Bakerloo
and change at Oxford Circus. Alternatively, for two undergrounds
obsessives, there is the District at Wimbledon, which connects to the
Circle/Hammersmith&City at Edgware Rd. There is also a nice easy
direct tube from Vauxhall to KXSP.

"Alex Terrell" wrote in message
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My suggestion. Act now, build extended, 400m platforms at a few outer
London station (perhaps Surbiton and Staines), and use these to
consolidate 8 carriage trains into 16 carriage trains for the final
trip through London.

It would not be difficult to use these platforms for Windsor Line trains,
making it much less likely for any trains to have to queue up outside
Waterloo waiting for platforms. But that wonn't make use of the platform
length - it would probably be too expensive to extend any Windsor line
station to take 12x20m trains, let alone 16- or 20-car.

There could be a case for running 15x23m trains on the Southampton Main
Line, with platform extensions at, say, Woking, Basingstoke, Winchester,
Southampton Airport Parkway and Southampton Central. But to make use of the
long platforms at Waterloo, the Fast Lines on the SWML would have to cross
the Windsor Lines. I don't think there's room after the Chatham Line bridge
to get up to the Linford Street flyover, so it would mean something like
getting the Windsor Lines to dive under the Main Lines between Clapham
Junction and Culvert Road. The cost would be likely to get so many noughts
on it to destroy any business case.

There's also the question of what to do with all the passenger accommodation
at Waterloo International, waiting rooms, immigration offices, etc. Would it
convert into a shopping mall? ;-)

Peter

Why can't the Kent express or whatever it's going to be called use it
to connect at Ashford?

Peter Masson wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 15 Nov 2004:

There's also the question of what to do with all the passenger accommodation
at Waterloo International, waiting rooms, immigration offices, etc. Would it
convert into a shopping mall? ;-)

Fairly easily, I would think. Last time I was there, it looked like one
anyway!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
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Website updated 6 November 2004 with new photos

In message , at 12:09:34 on Mon, 15
Nov 2004, Peter Masson remarked:
There's also the question of what to do with all the passenger accommodation
at Waterloo International, waiting rooms, immigration offices, etc. Would it
convert into a shopping mall? ;-)

Half of it is already shops.

Also, the routes through the terminal will have to be considered - while
getting on is relatively straight forward assuming they drop the
last-minute-only boarding scheme, getting off currently involves a
considerable walk through the bowels of the building.
--
Roland Perry

In article , Roland
Perry writes
Also, the routes through the terminal will have to be considered -
while getting on is relatively straight forward assuming they drop the
last-minute-only boarding scheme, getting off currently involves a
considerable walk through the bowels of the building.

Actually, if you work it out that won't be necessary.

Looking from the west side, the layout is something like this:

Platform level
----------------------------------------------------
| S | / \ /
Booking | E | / Departure \ / SEC = security
hall | C | / lounge \ / checks
---------------------------------------------
| C | \ /
Meet & | & | \ Arrivals / C&I = Customs &
greet area | I | \ area / Immigration
-----------------------------------------

Passengers go from the departure lounge into little foyers which lead to
the escalators and travalators. On arrival, these same foyers divert
them into further routes downwards into the arrivals area.

Remove the security and C&I mess, and you can send everyone through one
layer and take over the other layer for other purposes.

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In message , at 16:55:21 on Mon, 15
Nov 2004, Clive D. W. Feather remarked:
In article , Roland
Perry writes
Also, the routes through the terminal will have to be considered -
while getting on is relatively straight forward assuming they drop the
last-minute-only boarding scheme, getting off currently involves a
considerable walk through the bowels of the building.

Actually, if you work it out that won't be necessary.

Looking from the west side, the layout is something like this:

Platform level
----------------------------------------------------
| S | / \ /
Booking | E | / Departure \ / SEC = security
hall | C | / lounge \ / checks
---------------------------------------------
| C | \ /
Meet & | & | \ Arrivals / C&I = Customs &
greet area | I | \ area / Immigration
-----------------------------------------

Passengers go from the departure lounge into little foyers which lead
to the escalators and travalators. On arrival, these same foyers divert
them into further routes downwards into the arrivals area.

Remove the security and C&I mess, and you can send everyone through one
layer and take over the other layer for other purposes.

You've done just what I suggested and "considered the route through the
terminals". Having everyone use a single layers is a definite
possibility: it certainly shortens the "considerable walk" I was worried
about.
--
Roland Perry

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:55:21 +0000, "Clive D. W. Feather"
wrote:

In article , Roland
Perry writes
Also, the routes through the terminal will have to be considered -
while getting on is relatively straight forward assuming they drop the
last-minute-only boarding scheme, getting off currently involves a
considerable walk through the bowels of the building.

Actually, if you work it out that won't be necessary.

snip diagram

Remove the security and C&I mess, and you can send everyone through one
layer and take over the other layer for other purposes.

Even this doesn't seem necessary: just cover over the space between
the current barriers and the Eurostar booking office and remove the
train indicator board.

Since these platforms are at about the same level as the domestic
side, there doesn't seem to be a need to go down below at all.

Regards,

Clive

--
Clive R Robertson -- AS/400 Programmer.

Webmaster of http://www.osterleypark.org.uk/ -- this describes
a beautiful National Trust property in West London.

In message k
Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 12:09:34 on Mon, 15
Nov 2004, Peter Masson remarked:
There's also the question of what to do with all the passenger
accommodation at Waterloo International, waiting rooms, immigration
offices, etc. Would it convert into a shopping mall? ;-)

Half of it is already shops.

Also, the routes through the terminal will have to be considered - while
getting on is relatively straight forward assuming they drop the
last-minute-only boarding scheme, getting off currently involves a
considerable walk through the bowels of the building.

Not necessary once you do away with customs, immigration and insecurity.
build a mezanine over the current sunken area before the barrier line and
have level access to the platforms as per the rest of the station.

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html