(Mait001) wrote in message ...
It would not be difficult to use these platforms for Windsor Line trains,
making it much less likely for any trains to have to queue up outside
Waterloo waiting for platforms. But that wonn't make use of the platform
length - it would probably be too expensive to extend any Windsor line
station to take 12x20m trains, let alone 16- or 20-car.

Not to mention the fact that they still can't even run a full complement
of 8 car trains of the new stocks on the 3rd rail system because of power
supply issues.


Leaving aside the power supply issues, which will have to be resolved in any
event, why cannot 12-car or 16-car trains be run on the Windsor lines. What
law is there that EVERY car has to be accessible to each platform?

Why couldn't for example, a Reading train leaving Waterloo specify that only
the doors of the first 8 carriages will open at certain stations and the rear 8
carriages at the others?

This could not have happened with slam-door trains, but with controlled doors,
why can this not happen?

Those making the whole joruney could sit anywhere, and others would be
directed by signs to the correct part of the train for their station.

Marc.

Please explain how you would reverse a 12/16-car EMU at the following stations:
- Ascot
- Kingston
- Reading
- Shepperton
- Staines
- Twickenham
- Weybridge
- Windsor & Eton Riverside

On 16 Nov 2004 13:15:07 GMT, (Mait001) wrote:

It would not be difficult to use these platforms for Windsor Line trains,
making it much less likely for any trains to have to queue up outside
Waterloo waiting for platforms. But that wonn't make use of the platform
length - it would probably be too expensive to extend any Windsor line
station to take 12x20m trains, let alone 16- or 20-car.

Not to mention the fact that they still can't even run a full complement
of 8 car trains of the new stocks on the 3rd rail system because of power
supply issues.


Leaving aside the power supply issues, which will have to be resolved in any
event, why cannot 12-car or 16-car trains be run on the Windsor lines. What
law is there that EVERY car has to be accessible to each platform?

Why couldn't for example, a Reading train leaving Waterloo specify that only
the doors of the first 8 carriages will open at certain stations and the rear 8
carriages at the others?

This could not have happened with slam-door trains, but with controlled doors,
why can this not happen?


You *can* do this, but it will require some work to get authority from
HMRI. The Inspectorate generally doesn't like selective door
opening....

Rob.
--
rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

In message
"Peter Masson" wrote:

[snip]

There could be a case for running 15x23m trains on the Southampton Main
Line, with platform extensions at, say, Woking, Basingstoke, Winchester,
Southampton Airport Parkway and Southampton Central.

Winchester would be a bugger to extend and Southampton Central would cause
problems I suspect, you'd have to extend at the country end.

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

Peter Masson wrote:
[Eurostar platforms]
It would not be difficult to use these platforms for Windsor Line trains,
making it much less likely for any trains to have to queue up outside
Waterloo waiting for platforms. But that wonn't make use of the platform
length - it would probably be too expensive to extend any Windsor line
station to take 12x20m trains, let alone 16- or 20-car.

What were platforms 20-24 used for before construction of the Eurostar
terminal? They looked forlorn and neglected the only time I remember seeing
them in the late eighties. Was there a canopy that was demolished to make
way for Eurostar?

Theo

Theo Markettos wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 17 Nov 2004:

What were platforms 20-24 used for before construction of the Eurostar
terminal? They looked forlorn and neglected the only time I remember seeing
them in the late eighties. Was there a canopy that was demolished to make
way for Eurostar?

Surely they were being built in the late 80s? Actually, I think they
were built earlier - early 80s - but the construction of the Channel
Tunnel was delayed so that they did sit mothballed for awhile.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 6 November 2004 with new photos

"Mrs Redboots" wrote in message
...
Theo Markettos wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 17 Nov 2004:

What were platforms 20-24 used for before construction of the Eurostar
terminal? They looked forlorn and neglected the only time I remember
seeing
them in the late eighties. Was there a canopy that was demolished to
make
way for Eurostar?

Surely they were being built in the late 80s? Actually, I think they
were built earlier - early 80s - but the construction of the Channel
Tunnel was delayed so that they did sit mothballed for awhile.

The Eurostar platforms were built on the site of *old* platforms 16-21,
which were the former Windsor line platforms, and were under the original
roof of the 1885 North station. The rest of the station, and the concourse,
were rebuilt between about 1908 and 1922. To make up for the platforms which
were removed to make way for the Eurostar terminal, additional platforms
were provided on the former cab road.

Peter

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:29:23 +0000, Mrs Redboots
wrote:

Theo Markettos wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 17 Nov 2004:

What were platforms 20-24 used for before construction of the Eurostar
terminal? They looked forlorn and neglected the only time I remember seeing
them in the late eighties. Was there a canopy that was demolished to make
way for Eurostar?

Surely they were being built in the late 80s? Actually, I think they
were built earlier - early 80s - but the construction of the Channel
Tunnel was delayed so that they did sit mothballed for awhile.

They were certainly under construction during 1990-91 as I used
Waterloo regularly during that period and can remember the building
work going on.

From memory, so the details may be incorrect, before the Eurostar
terminal was built Waterloo had 21 platforms with something like
platforms 18-21 on the site of the current Eurostar platforms. Space
was found in the main part of the station to add two extra platforms.

For a year or two during the construction work at least two of the
platforms used by suburban trains to Wandsworth and points south-west
started some way from the concourse.

Martin

"Martin Rich" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:29:23 +0000, Mrs Redboots
wrote:

Theo Markettos wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 17 Nov 2004:

What were platforms 20-24 used for before construction of the Eurostar
terminal? They looked forlorn and neglected the only time I remember
seeing
them in the late eighties. Was there a canopy that was demolished to
make
way for Eurostar?

Surely they were being built in the late 80s? Actually, I think they
were built earlier - early 80s - but the construction of the Channel
Tunnel was delayed so that they did sit mothballed for awhile.

They were certainly under construction during 1990-91 as I used
Waterloo regularly during that period and can remember the building
work going on.

From memory, so the details may be incorrect, before the Eurostar
terminal was built Waterloo had 21 platforms with something like
platforms 18-21 on the site of the current Eurostar platforms. Space
was found in the main part of the station to add two extra platforms.

For a year or two during the construction work at least two of the
platforms used by suburban trains to Wandsworth and points south-west
started some way from the concourse.

Martin
My recollection of visits to Waterloo in the late 1960s suggest that at
least part of the site of Waterloo International was carriage sidings, along
with the lift used for stock exchanges to the Waterloo and City.
Brian

In article ,
(Theo Markettos) wrote:

What were platforms 20-24 used for before construction of the Eurostar
terminal? They looked forlorn and neglected the only time I remember
seeing them in the late eighties. Was there a canopy that was
demolished to make way for Eurostar?

There were only 2 platforms, 20 and 21. There were also some sidings and
the lift used for access to the Waterloo and City Line.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

--- Colin Rosenstiel said:

(Theo Markettos) wrote:

What were platforms 20-24 used for before construction of the
Eurostar terminal?

There were only 2 platforms, 20 and 21. There were also some
sidings and the lift used for access to the Waterloo and City Line.


Are you sure? IIRC there were for platforms (18-21) but when they were
demolished, two new Southampton line platforms were opened up in the
centre of the station, to make up for it, and the Windsor lines --
including the platform numbers -- were shifted along to make room. (I'm
not putting this into words very well, but it makes sense if you think
about it.)