In message , at 12:09:34 on Mon, 15
Nov 2004, Peter Masson remarked:
There's also the question of what to do with all the passenger accommodation
at Waterloo International, waiting rooms, immigration offices, etc. Would it
convert into a shopping mall? ;-)

Half of it is already shops.

Also, the routes through the terminal will have to be considered - while
getting on is relatively straight forward assuming they drop the
last-minute-only boarding scheme, getting off currently involves a
considerable walk through the bowels of the building.
--
Roland Perry

In article , Roland
Perry writes
Also, the routes through the terminal will have to be considered -
while getting on is relatively straight forward assuming they drop the
last-minute-only boarding scheme, getting off currently involves a
considerable walk through the bowels of the building.

Actually, if you work it out that won't be necessary.

Looking from the west side, the layout is something like this:

Platform level
----------------------------------------------------
| S | / \ /
Booking | E | / Departure \ / SEC = security
hall | C | / lounge \ / checks
---------------------------------------------
| C | \ /
Meet & | & | \ Arrivals / C&I = Customs &
greet area | I | \ area / Immigration
-----------------------------------------

Passengers go from the departure lounge into little foyers which lead to
the escalators and travalators. On arrival, these same foyers divert
them into further routes downwards into the arrivals area.

Remove the security and C&I mess, and you can send everyone through one
layer and take over the other layer for other purposes.

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In message , at 16:55:21 on Mon, 15
Nov 2004, Clive D. W. Feather remarked:
In article , Roland
Perry writes
Also, the routes through the terminal will have to be considered -
while getting on is relatively straight forward assuming they drop the
last-minute-only boarding scheme, getting off currently involves a
considerable walk through the bowels of the building.

Actually, if you work it out that won't be necessary.

Looking from the west side, the layout is something like this:

Platform level
----------------------------------------------------
| S | / \ /
Booking | E | / Departure \ / SEC = security
hall | C | / lounge \ / checks
---------------------------------------------
| C | \ /
Meet & | & | \ Arrivals / C&I = Customs &
greet area | I | \ area / Immigration
-----------------------------------------

Passengers go from the departure lounge into little foyers which lead
to the escalators and travalators. On arrival, these same foyers divert
them into further routes downwards into the arrivals area.

Remove the security and C&I mess, and you can send everyone through one
layer and take over the other layer for other purposes.

You've done just what I suggested and "considered the route through the
terminals". Having everyone use a single layers is a definite
possibility: it certainly shortens the "considerable walk" I was worried
about.
--
Roland Perry

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:55:21 +0000, "Clive D. W. Feather"
wrote:

In article , Roland
Perry writes
Also, the routes through the terminal will have to be considered -
while getting on is relatively straight forward assuming they drop the
last-minute-only boarding scheme, getting off currently involves a
considerable walk through the bowels of the building.

Actually, if you work it out that won't be necessary.

snip diagram

Remove the security and C&I mess, and you can send everyone through one
layer and take over the other layer for other purposes.

Even this doesn't seem necessary: just cover over the space between
the current barriers and the Eurostar booking office and remove the
train indicator board.

Since these platforms are at about the same level as the domestic
side, there doesn't seem to be a need to go down below at all.

Regards,

Clive

--
Clive R Robertson -- AS/400 Programmer.

Webmaster of http://www.osterleypark.org.uk/ -- this describes
a beautiful National Trust property in West London.

In message k
Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 12:09:34 on Mon, 15
Nov 2004, Peter Masson remarked:
There's also the question of what to do with all the passenger
accommodation at Waterloo International, waiting rooms, immigration
offices, etc. Would it convert into a shopping mall? ;-)

Half of it is already shops.

Also, the routes through the terminal will have to be considered - while
getting on is relatively straight forward assuming they drop the
last-minute-only boarding scheme, getting off currently involves a
considerable walk through the bowels of the building.

Not necessary once you do away with customs, immigration and insecurity.
build a mezanine over the current sunken area before the barrier line and
have level access to the platforms as per the rest of the station.

--
Graeme Wall
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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...

once you do away with customs, immigration
and insecurity. build a mezanine over the current
sunken area before the barrier line and have level
access to the platforms as per the rest of the station.

I suspect customs etc at Waterloo will be mothballed rather than removed,
because they will want somewhere to offload Johnny Foreigner if an incident
closes the Stratford / St Pancras line.

--
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That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:37:06 -0000, "John Rowland"
wrote:

I suspect customs etc at Waterloo will be mothballed rather than removed,
because they will want somewhere to offload Johnny Foreigner if an incident
closes the Stratford / St Pancras line.

Kensington Olympia?

Neil

I suspect customs etc at Waterloo will be mothballed rather than removed,
because they will want somewhere to offload Johnny Foreigner if an incident
closes the Stratford / St Pancras line.

Kensington Olympia?

Neil




Is there a direct link from Eurostar to Olympia, without reversing at Waterloo?


Marc.

Is there a direct link from Eurostar to Olympia, without reversing at Waterloo?


Marc.

When the rail link opens, it'll be via the North London Line.

Back in May this year I was in a EuroStar train from Paris to London which
appeared to get lost.

At any rate we eventually went in to Kensington Olympia. The carriage doors
remained locked and a tannoy voice said that nobody could get out there
because we had to go thru to Waterloo for Customs and Immigration.

That was bull**** because of course we had done both French and British
Customs at the Gare du Nord in Paris.

After about half an hour of hanging around Olympia we eventually went to
Waterloo. The train did not have to reverse en route.

Once at Waterloo there were no further immigration or Customs checks.
"Matthew" wrote in message
...


Is there a direct link from Eurostar to Olympia, without reversing at
Waterloo?


Marc.

When the rail link opens, it'll be via the North London Line.