It would not be difficult to use these platforms for Windsor Line trains,
making it much less likely for any trains to have to queue up outside
Waterloo waiting for platforms. But that wonn't make use of the platform
length - it would probably be too expensive to extend any Windsor line
station to take 12x20m trains, let alone 16- or 20-car.

Not to mention the fact that they still can't even run a full complement
of 8 car trains of the new stocks on the 3rd rail system because of power
supply issues.


Leaving aside the power supply issues, which will have to be resolved in any
event, why cannot 12-car or 16-car trains be run on the Windsor lines. What
law is there that EVERY car has to be accessible to each platform?

Why couldn't for example, a Reading train leaving Waterloo specify that only
the doors of the first 8 carriages will open at certain stations and the rear 8
carriages at the others?

This could not have happened with slam-door trains, but with controlled doors,
why can this not happen?

Those making the whole joruney could sit anywhere, and others would be
directed by signs to the correct part of the train for their station.

Marc.

In message , at 13:15:07
on Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Mait001 remarked:
Leaving aside the power supply issues, which will have to be resolved in any
event, why cannot 12-car or 16-car trains be run on the Windsor lines. What
law is there that EVERY car has to be accessible to each platform?

Why couldn't for example, a Reading train leaving Waterloo specify that only
the doors of the first 8 carriages will open at certain stations and the rear 8
carriages at the others?

This could not have happened with slam-door trains, but with controlled doors,
why can this not happen?

It seems that the trains have been incompetently specified or designed,
and not all of them will allow this feature.
--
Roland Perry

Mait001 wrote to uk.transport.london on Tue, 16 Nov 2004:

Why couldn't for example, a Reading train leaving Waterloo specify that only
the doors of the first 8 carriages will open at certain stations and the rear 8
carriages at the others?

At that, why could two stops at certain stations not be planned, with
the first 8 carriages, then another brief halt for the rear 8 carriages?
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 6 November 2004 with new photos

In message , Mrs Redboots
writes

Mait001 wrote to uk.transport.london on Tue, 16 Nov 2004:

Why couldn't for example, a Reading train leaving Waterloo specify
that only the doors of the first 8 carriages will open at certain
stations and the rear 8 carriages at the others?

At that, why could two stops at certain stations not be planned, with
the first 8 carriages, then another brief halt for the rear 8 carriages?

Both ideas need to consider the huge operational problems of the Windsor
lines through Barnes and Richmond - successive level crossings in an
urban area, stations abutting those crossings, Barnes station abutting
the Hounslow loop junction, frequent local stoppers to fit between the
fast services.

--
Paul Terry

Paul Terry wrote to uk.transport.london on Tue, 16 Nov 2004:

In message , Mrs
Redboots writes

Mait001 wrote to uk.transport.london on Tue, 16 Nov 2004:

Why couldn't for example, a Reading train leaving Waterloo specify
that only the doors of the first 8 carriages will open at certain
stations and the rear 8 carriages at the others?

At that, why could two stops at certain stations not be planned, with
the first 8 carriages, then another brief halt for the rear 8 carriages?

Both ideas need to consider the huge operational problems of the
Windsor lines through Barnes and Richmond - successive level crossings
in an urban area, stations abutting those crossings, Barnes station
abutting the Hounslow loop junction, frequent local stoppers to fit
between the fast services.

I don't know about Mait001, but I was assuming these trains would not
stop everywhere, just at major stations - Richmond perhaps, but not
Barnes! And maybe not even Richmond.... first stop Feltham, perhaps,
and make the most of the link to Heathrow?
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 6 November 2004 with new photos

In message , Mrs Redboots
writes

I don't know about Mait001, but I was assuming these trains would not
stop everywhere, just at major stations - Richmond perhaps, but not
Barnes! And maybe not even Richmond.... first stop Feltham, perhaps,
and make the most of the link to Heathrow?

If they didn't stop at Putney, Richmond and Twickenham they wouldn't
replace the existing service, they would have to be additional - and
there is absolutely no way that line can take a more intense service
west of Barnes.
--
Paul Terry

(Mait001) wrote in message ...
It would not be difficult to use these platforms for Windsor Line trains,
making it much less likely for any trains to have to queue up outside
Waterloo waiting for platforms. But that wonn't make use of the platform
length - it would probably be too expensive to extend any Windsor line
station to take 12x20m trains, let alone 16- or 20-car.

Not to mention the fact that they still can't even run a full complement
of 8 car trains of the new stocks on the 3rd rail system because of power
supply issues.


Leaving aside the power supply issues, which will have to be resolved in any
event, why cannot 12-car or 16-car trains be run on the Windsor lines. What
law is there that EVERY car has to be accessible to each platform?

Why couldn't for example, a Reading train leaving Waterloo specify that only
the doors of the first 8 carriages will open at certain stations and the rear 8
carriages at the others?

This could not have happened with slam-door trains, but with controlled doors,
why can this not happen?

Those making the whole joruney could sit anywhere, and others would be
directed by signs to the correct part of the train for their station.

Marc.

Please explain how you would reverse a 12/16-car EMU at the following stations:
- Ascot
- Kingston
- Reading
- Shepperton
- Staines
- Twickenham
- Weybridge
- Windsor & Eton Riverside

On 16 Nov 2004 13:15:07 GMT, (Mait001) wrote:

It would not be difficult to use these platforms for Windsor Line trains,
making it much less likely for any trains to have to queue up outside
Waterloo waiting for platforms. But that wonn't make use of the platform
length - it would probably be too expensive to extend any Windsor line
station to take 12x20m trains, let alone 16- or 20-car.

Not to mention the fact that they still can't even run a full complement
of 8 car trains of the new stocks on the 3rd rail system because of power
supply issues.


Leaving aside the power supply issues, which will have to be resolved in any
event, why cannot 12-car or 16-car trains be run on the Windsor lines. What
law is there that EVERY car has to be accessible to each platform?

Why couldn't for example, a Reading train leaving Waterloo specify that only
the doors of the first 8 carriages will open at certain stations and the rear 8
carriages at the others?

This could not have happened with slam-door trains, but with controlled doors,
why can this not happen?


You *can* do this, but it will require some work to get authority from
HMRI. The Inspectorate generally doesn't like selective door
opening....

Rob.
--
rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk