In message , at 21:10:06 on Wed,
24 Nov 2004, M.Whitson remarked:
An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact that
St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most overcrowded
in London and distribution of passengers from there is extremely
problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times. This problem will
not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the absence of an upgraded
Thameslink (3,000?).

Perhaps you've not noticed that KX/StP is currently in the midst of a
huge rebuilding programme to address these very issues?
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:10:51 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 21:10:06 on Wed,
24 Nov 2004, M.Whitson remarked:
An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact that
St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most overcrowded
in London and distribution of passengers from there is extremely
problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times. This problem will
not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the absence of an upgraded
Thameslink (3,000?).

Perhaps you've not noticed that KX/StP is currently in the midst of a
huge rebuilding programme to address these very issues?

Which has now been cut back due to cost over-runs, so its adequacy
must be in doubt.
--
Peter Lawrence

"Peter Lawrence" wrote:

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:10:51 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 21:10:06 on Wed,
24 Nov 2004, M.Whitson remarked:
An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact that
St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most overcrowded
in London and distribution of passengers from there is extremely
problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times. This problem will
not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the absence of an upgraded
Thameslink (3,000?).

Perhaps you've not noticed that KX/StP is currently in the midst of a
huge rebuilding programme to address these very issues?

Which has now been cut back due to cost over-runs, so its adequacy
must be in doubt.


Exactly so. In particular, the provision for Thameslink services will
be grossly inadequate.

In article ,
(TP) wrote:

"Peter Lawrence" wrote:

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:10:51 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 21:10:06 on
Wed, 24 Nov 2004, M.Whitson :
An aspect of this subject which has not been aired here is the fact
that St.Pancras/KX from a public transport point of view is the most
overcrowded in London and distribution of passengers from there is
extremely problematical.This is greatly exacerbated at peak times.
This problem will not be helped by the arrival of the CTRLDS and the
absence of an upgraded Thameslink (3,000?).

Perhaps you've not noticed that KX/StP is currently in the midst of a
huge rebuilding programme to address these very issues?

Which has now been cut back due to cost over-runs, so its adequacy
must be in doubt.

Exactly so. In particular, the provision for Thameslink services will
be grossly inadequate.

There won't be *any* provision for Thameslink services in the new King's
Cross/St Pancras in 2007.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

--- Colin Rosenstiel said (about the rbuilding works at Kings X)...
(TP) wrote:


Exactly so. In particular, the provision for Thameslink services
will be grossly inadequate.

There won't be *any* provision for Thameslink services in the
new King's Cross/St Pancras in 2007.


So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to do with
needing possession of the line to create the provision of new Thameslink
interchange services? And if they're not going ahead with the
provision, why bother with blockading the line in the first place?

"Solar Penguin" wrote in message
...


So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to do with
needing possession of the line to create the provision of new Thameslink
interchange services? And if they're not going ahead with the
provision, why bother with blockading the line in the first place?

It is in order to excavate the area where the new St. Pancras Midland Road
station will be and to install the concrete box into which the station will
(eventually) be installed and fitted out. Imagine City Thameslink with
nothing there apart from walls.

"Jack Taylor" wrote in message
...
"Solar Penguin" wrote in message
...


So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade?
Isn't it to do with needing possession of the line to
create the provision of new Thameslink interchange
services? And if they're not going ahead with the provision,
why bother with blockading the line in the first place?

It is in order to excavate the area where the new St. Pancras
Midland Road station will be and to install the concrete box
into which the station will (eventually) be installed and fitted out.
Imagine City Thameslink with nothing there apart from walls.

There is nothing in City Thameslink except walls, and a chocolate machine.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

--- Jack Taylor said...

"Solar Penguin" wrote in message

So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to
do with needing possession of the line to create the provision of
new Thameslink interchange services?

It is in order to excavate the area where the new St. Pancras
Midland Road station will be and to install the concrete box into
which the station will (eventually) be installed and fitted out.

Ah... You mean, the Thamelsink customers are putting up with this
blockade, and they aren't even going to get a new interchange station
out of it? Just the option of a vague possibility of a new interchange
station at some unspecified point in the future...

In article ,
(Solar Penguin) wrote:

--- Colin Rosenstiel said (about the rbuilding works at Kings X)...
(TP) wrote:


Exactly so. In particular, the provision for Thameslink services
will be grossly inadequate.

There won't be *any* provision for Thameslink services in the
new King's Cross/St Pancras in 2007.


So, why do we have the current Thameslink blockade? Isn't it to do with
needing possession of the line to create the provision of new Thameslink
interchange services? And if they're not going ahead with the
provision, why bother with blockading the line in the first place?

They are building a box under Midland Road which could be used as a
station if they had the money to fit it out. :-((

--
Colin Rosenstiel

(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote in message ...

There won't be *any* provision for Thameslink services in the new King's
Cross/St Pancras in 2007.

Not *in*, but *under*, St. Pancras though, surely? The lack of
provision will be the distance of the new Thameslink station from
King's Cross main line station - certainly no closer, and possibly
even further from parts of King's Cross than the current Thameslink
station is.