In article , Roland
Perry writes
You don't think Brentwood, Chelmsford, Witham, Southend, Basildon and
Grays are in Essex ?!?!?

Southend isn't (any more than Peterborough is in Cambridgeshire): it's
in the County of Southend-of-Sea. As for Grays, I don't have a map to
hand, but didn't Tendring Hundred declare UDI?

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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:31:55 +0000, "Clive D. W. Feather"
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In article , Roland
Perry writes
You don't think Brentwood, Chelmsford, Witham, Southend, Basildon and
Grays are in Essex ?!?!?

Southend isn't (any more than Peterborough is in Cambridgeshire): it's
in the County of Southend-of-Sea. As for Grays, I don't have a map to
hand, but didn't Tendring Hundred declare UDI?


Grays is still in Essex!

Thurrock Council is now a Unitary Authority, taking a bigger share of
the local taxation pie, & providing some services that used to be
provided by the ECC, but the Police & Fire Services are still provided
via County Hall.

As for Herr Anderson's coments re "Gormandy?", I'd reccomend that he
should not pre-judge a sizeable chunk of Essex's population by their
accents / dialects or by where they chose to live!

Since he obviously has no knowledge of local traffic patterns, I'd be
happy to state that Colchester to Grays / Thurrock is an hour's drive
at legal speeds on a "good" day.
The layout of the new road network for Ebbsfleet Station is,as yet
unfinished, but it seems that to get there from the QE2 bridge, one
would have to drive down the A2, eastbound.
This will clash with the traffic to / from the Bluewater Mall !

So, as this time, based on some personal commuting experience between
Colchester & Thurrock, + local knowledge re trips to / from Kent, I'd
allow 2 hours from door to door by car!

Since it's unlikely that many E*'s will actually call at Stratford
&/or Ebbsfleet, I suspect that most of us will continue to drive to
Ashford & park there.
The M20 is a much quieter & quicker road than the A2, with better
access to the M25, & Ashford is an easy hours drive from the Dartford
Crossing.

DC

In article , DC
writes
Grays is still in Essex!

Thurrock Council is now a Unitary Authority,

and so for legal purposes isn't part of Essex any more. [This is an old
discussion between Roland and me.]

but the Police & Fire Services are still provided
via County Hall.

They're not done by counties any more - they have a separate precept. We
have the same issue up my way.

As for Herr Anderson's coments re "Gormandy?", I'd reccomend that he
should not pre-judge a sizeable chunk of Essex's population by their
accents / dialects or by where they chose to live!

Herr Anderson is clearly Gormless.

[Rest snipped. I grew up in Leigh-on-Sea and generally agree.]

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"DC" wrote in message
...

The layout of the new road network for Ebbsfleet
Station is,as yet unfinished, but it seems that to
get there from the QE2 bridge, one
would have to drive down the A2, eastbound.

You didn't look at a map before posting that!

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"DC" wrote in message
...

The layout of the new road network for Ebbsfleet
Station is,as yet unfinished, but it seems that to
get there from the QE2 bridge, one
would have to drive down the A2, eastbound.


You didn't look at a map before posting that!

What's wrong with his statement? He's correct; access to Ebbsfleet will
be via the A2 and a new spur road which leaves the A2 where the B259
currently crosses it on a bridge.

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You don't think Brentwood, Chelmsford, Witham, Southend, Basildon and
Grays are in Essex ?!?!?
Southend isn't (any more than Peterborough is in Cambridgeshire): it's
in the County of Southend-of-Sea. As for Grays, I don't have a map to
hand,

I do now - Grays isn't in Essex either.

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In message , Clive D. W. Feather
writes
In article ,
Roland Perry writes
You don't think Brentwood, Chelmsford, Witham, Southend, Basildon
and Grays are in Essex ?!?!?

Southend isn't (any more than Peterborough is in Cambridgeshire): it's in
the County of Southend-of-Sea.
pedant
Southend is a Unitary authority, combining the duties of District and
County Councils and is therefore not part of the *administrative* county
of Essex. However, it still forms part of the *geographical* (now
termed "Ceremonial" County of Essex, eg for Sheriff and Lord Lieutenant
purposes.

But, although having powers analogous to those of a county, there is no
such things as the County of Southend on Sea.
/pedant
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In article ,
(Ian Jelf) wrote:

In message , Clive D. W. Feather
writes
In article ,
Roland Perry writes
You don't think Brentwood, Chelmsford, Witham, Southend, Basildon
and Grays are in Essex ?!?!?

Southend isn't (any more than Peterborough is in Cambridgeshire): it's
in the County of Southend-of-Sea.
pedant
Southend is a Unitary authority, combining the duties of District and
County Councils and is therefore not part of the *administrative* county
of Essex. However, it still forms part of the *geographical* (now
termed "Ceremonial" County of Essex, eg for Sheriff and Lord Lieutenant
purposes.

But, although having powers analogous to those of a county, there is no
such things as the County of Southend on Sea.
/pedant

That depends on the purposes. It's a county for the pruposes of the
Parliamentary Boundary Commission, for example, but a district in terms of
the Local Government Act 1972. I think it would have been better not to
have opened this can of worms.

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Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article ,
(Ian Jelf) wrote:
But, although having powers analogous to those of a county, there is no
such things as the County of Southend on Sea.
/pedant

That depends on the purposes. It's a county for the pruposes of the
Parliamentary Boundary Commission, for example,

No it isn't, it's being reviewed along with Essex.

but a district in terms of the Local Government Act 1972.

There used to be such things as "Parliamentary Counties" for some
Boroughs: Norwich, Bristol, Exeter, and Nottingham.

I think it would have been better not to have opened this can of
worms.

Almost certainly right.

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In article ,
(David Boothroyd) wrote:

In article ,
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article ,
(Ian Jelf) wrote:
But, although having powers analogous to those of a county, there
is no such things as the County of Southend on Sea.
/pedant

That depends on the purposes. It's a county for the pruposes of the
Parliamentary Boundary Commission, for example,

No it isn't, it's being reviewed along with Essex.

but a district in terms of the Local Government Act 1972.

There used to be such things as "Parliamentary Counties" for some
Boroughs: Norwich, Bristol, Exeter, and Nottingham.

I think it would have been better not to have opened this can of
worms.

Almost certainly right.

You clearly haven't been reading enough Parliamentary Boundary Commission
reports David. Otherwise you wouldn't have written that rubbish. But this
is the wrong newsgroup to argue the toss about this.

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