In article ,
Dave Arquati wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
On 17 Nov 2004, Boltar wrote:


"Alan \(in Brussels\)" wrote in message ...

After phase one, 12 trains an hour will run from Dalston Junction to Surrey
Quays, serving three routes to New Cross, Crystal Palace and West Croydon.
When phase two is done, it will increase to 16 trains an hour in each
direction through the central station.

Dalston junction eh? Thats bloody useful. God forbid they might have
terminated at finsbury park as was originally mooted so people on WAGN
or the piccadilly and victoria lines could have easily changed onto it.
Still , par for the course for the british half arsed approach I
suppose.


There was some reason they couldn't go to FP. Not a very good reason, i
seem to remember thinking; something that sounded like an excuse to cover
up the fact that some TOC at FP didn't like it. I might be thinking of the
story of the Northern City Line, though. Plus ca change ...

Has anyone looked into carrying on west from Dalston, along the NLL route?
Isn't the track quadruple from Dalston J to Barnsbury or Camden Road or
something? Even if the ELL can't get to Finsbury Park, Highbury &
Islington would be hugely useful.

The ELLX will be going to Canonbury, Highbury & Islington and Caledonian
Road & Barnsbury (where turnback sidings can be added) in Phase 2, which
the Mayor believes can be funded if, after 2009, the government
continues giving TfL the same amount each year that they are getting for
the five-year investment programme.

Phase 2 would also include Surrey Quays to Clapham Junction, replacing
South London Line services. It hasn't been said what alternative
arrangements would be made for travellers from Wandsworth Road to any
central London station. All other SLL stations seem to have alternative
services to the ones they would lose.


I thought the TfL grand plan for Phase 2 was a circular service using SLL,
ELL, NLL and WLL giving Clapham Jc-Surrey Quays-Dalston-Willesden
HL-Clapham Jc and vice versa.

David

gwr4090 wrote:
In article ,
Dave Arquati wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

On 17 Nov 2004, Boltar wrote:



"Alan \(in Brussels\)" wrote in message ...


After phase one, 12 trains an hour will run from Dalston Junction to Surrey
Quays, serving three routes to New Cross, Crystal Palace and West Croydon.
When phase two is done, it will increase to 16 trains an hour in each
direction through the central station.

Dalston junction eh? Thats bloody useful. God forbid they might have
terminated at finsbury park as was originally mooted so people on WAGN
or the piccadilly and victoria lines could have easily changed onto it.
Still , par for the course for the british half arsed approach I
suppose.


There was some reason they couldn't go to FP. Not a very good reason, i
seem to remember thinking; something that sounded like an excuse to cover
up the fact that some TOC at FP didn't like it. I might be thinking of the
story of the Northern City Line, though. Plus ca change ...

Has anyone looked into carrying on west from Dalston, along the NLL route?
Isn't the track quadruple from Dalston J to Barnsbury or Camden Road or
something? Even if the ELL can't get to Finsbury Park, Highbury &
Islington would be hugely useful.


The ELLX will be going to Canonbury, Highbury & Islington and Caledonian
Road & Barnsbury (where turnback sidings can be added) in Phase 2, which
the Mayor believes can be funded if, after 2009, the government
continues giving TfL the same amount each year that they are getting for
the five-year investment programme.


Phase 2 would also include Surrey Quays to Clapham Junction, replacing
South London Line services. It hasn't been said what alternative
arrangements would be made for travellers from Wandsworth Road to any
central London station. All other SLL stations seem to have alternative
services to the ones they would lose.

I thought the TfL grand plan for Phase 2 was a circular service using SLL,
ELL, NLL and WLL giving Clapham Jc-Surrey Quays-Dalston-Willesden
HL-Clapham Jc and vice versa.

Not the plan for Phase 2 - call that Phase 3 (or Orbirail). Phase 2
would have Caledonian Road & Barnsbury round to Clapham Junction via
Surrey Quays, with cross-platform interchanges at Clapham Junction to
the WLL, at Caledonian Road to the NLL, and between the appropriate NLL
and WLL services at Willesden Junction. Orbirail would be the
continuation of this by running WLL services from Clapham Junction right
through via Highbury and Surrey Quays back to Clapham Junction (where
they would have to reverse).

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

I am disappointed that the scheme was modified from the earlier
proposals which involved going to CJ via Tulse Hill/Streatham Hill
(IIRC).

(Kapitan Klink) wrote in message . com...
I am disappointed that the scheme was modified from the earlier
proposals which involved going to CJ via Tulse Hill/Streatham Hill
(IIRC).

Yeah I was thinking the other day that this is more logical or is it
something to do with the E* being removed from the line through
Brixton so the ELLE can use the freed up capacity?

(Jim Brown) wrote in message . com...
(Kapitan Klink) wrote in message . com...
I am disappointed that the scheme was modified from the earlier
proposals which involved going to CJ via Tulse Hill/Streatham Hill
(IIRC).

Yeah I was thinking the other day that this is more logical

(A guess) Imported delays from the ELL would affect more services
maybe? Services on the Peckham Rye - Tulse Hill, Streatham Hill -
Balham, Balham-Victoria (slow lines) axes stood to be disrupted if the
old proposal were adopted.

or is it
something to do with the E* being removed from the line through
Brixton so the ELLE can use the freed up capacity?

The E*star didn't use the SLL tracks anyway, did it?

I used to use East Brixton in the 60s just for fun because it was so
kind of rustic and sleepy perched up as it was on a viaduct. there was
no ticket office; you got a hand written ticket from a guy in a booth
on the platform. "Tulls Hill" was a typical destination.