"Greg Hennessy" wrote in message
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What you're saying is you don't favour working time limits?

I dont, its none of 'Europes' business.

Thats a decision to be taken by a UK govt on behalf of its electors no one
else.


Fair enough, why couldn't you have said that to start with instead of all
the "passed over for promotion" stuff? If employers break laws they should
be punished.

Since we elected Labour, who we knew were going to agree with the policy,
didn't we do just that? That was certainly one reason why I voted Labour.

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:22:03 -0000, "JB"
wrote:



Fair enough, why couldn't you have said that to start with instead of all
the "passed over for promotion" stuff? If employers break laws they should
be punished.


Which ignores how the real world works.


Since we elected Labour, who we knew were going to agree with the policy,
didn't we do just that?

We didn't elect them to import failed franco/german social policy.


Maternity leave is *not* a constructional right



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Greg Hennessy wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:22:03 -0000, "JB"
wrote:

Fair enough, why couldn't you have said that to start with instead of all
the "passed over for promotion" stuff? If employers break laws they should
be punished.

Which ignores how the real world works.

Jesus, the british unions are amongst the strongest in Europe. Who else
if not them could prevent these methods?

Since we elected Labour, who we knew were going to agree with the policy,
didn't we do just that?

We didn't elect them to import failed franco/german social policy.

In Germany's case the reason for failure is not the social policy. They
simply should not have united the country so fast, _that_ did kill economy.

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:31:39 +0100, Guy Perry wrote:

Greg Hennessy wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:22:03 -0000, "JB"
wrote:

Fair enough, why couldn't you have said that to start with instead of all
the "passed over for promotion" stuff? If employers break laws they should
be punished.

Which ignores how the real world works.

Jesus, the british unions are amongst the strongest in Europe.

ROTFL! You do live in the country ?

Who else
if not them could prevent these methods?

Since when did unions give a XXXX about anyone in the private sector on a
salary ?


Since we elected Labour, who we knew were going to agree with the policy,
didn't we do just that?

We didn't elect them to import failed franco/german social policy.

In Germany's case the reason for failure is not the social policy.

Au contraire. when it costs 45 quid/hour to employ a worker at Volkswagen,
its social policy.

They
simply should not have united the country so fast, _that_ did kill economy.

That was 15 years ago,

Instead of using the new supply of cheap labour handed to it for free,
German pols unified at the wrong exchange rate and paid for them to sit at
home on their Arsch.

Instead of encouraging labour mobility, they took active measures to
prevent it.



greg


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Greg Hennessy wrote:

In Germany's case the reason for failure is not the social policy.


Au contraire. when it costs 45 quid/hour to employ a worker at Volkswagen,
its social policy.

Dream on or head off and work for them if you do believe that urban
legend. €15.- to €20.- gross is more like it.

That was 15 years ago,

Instead of using the new supply of cheap labour handed to it for free,
German pols unified at the wrong exchange rate and paid for them to sit at
home on their Arsch.

Instead of encouraging labour mobility, they took active measures to
prevent it.

The eastern folk still have not adapted to "free market" an its labour
requirements. That's their problem.

On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 09:56:20 +0100, Guy Perry wrote:

Greg Hennessy wrote:

In Germany's case the reason for failure is not the social policy.


Au contraire. when it costs 45 quid/hour to employ a worker at Volkswagen,
its social policy.

Dream on or head off and work for them if you do believe that urban
legend. €15.- to €20.- gross is more like it.


http://businessweek.com/magazine/con...6156_mz037.htm

At GM-Opel's Bochum and Russelsheim plants, workers earn $41 an hour, or
33% more than auto workers in France and other European countries.

IG-Metal ensures that VW will be in the same ball park.

Employer payroll taxation will add at least 50% to the above.


http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news...&refer=germany


"At 27.33 euros an hour on average this year, German labor costs are the
most costly in the 25-member European Union, according to the German
Federal Statistics Office Web site. Hourly labor costs are 20.15 euros in
France and 18.72 euros in the U.K. "


That's the German average and when the cost of employing someone is
factored in, its social policy.



The eastern folk still have not adapted to "free market" an its labour
requirements. That's their problem.

That's because their govt gave them the option of sitting at home idle.


greg


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"Greg Hennessy" wrote in message
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Since we elected Labour, who we knew were going to agree with the policy,
didn't we do just that?

We didn't elect them to import failed franco/german social policy.


Um...I thought I just cleared that up; Yes, yes I did. I suspect you didn't
vote for them at all but perhaps you were overruled by democracy?

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:53:02 -0000, "JB"
wrote:


Since we elected Labour, who we knew were going to agree with the policy,
didn't we do just that?

We didn't elect them to import failed franco/german social policy.


Um...I thought I just cleared that up; Yes, yes I did. I suspect you didn't
vote for them at all but perhaps you were overruled by democracy?

Less than half the popular vote via FPTP is not a mandate to impose
monstrosities such as the proposed constitution.



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"Greg Hennessy" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:53:02 -0000, "JB"
wrote:


Since we elected Labour, who we knew were going to agree with the
policy,
didn't we do just that?

We didn't elect them to import failed franco/german social policy.


Um...I thought I just cleared that up; Yes, yes I did. I suspect you
didn't
vote for them at all but perhaps you were overruled by democracy?

Less than half the popular vote via FPTP is not a mandate to impose
monstrosities such as the proposed constitution.


.....Which is why we're getting a referendum on that. I'm sorry, am I
missing something here?

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:00:16 -0000, "JB"
wrote:


Less than half the popular vote via FPTP is not a mandate to impose
monstrosities such as the proposed constitution.


....Which is why we're getting a referendum on that.

Only by sheer fluke.


greg
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