"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
Fresh off the press - to prevent performance pollution from SET, Crossrail
will share no track with SET on its Isle of Dogs branch and will terminate
at a new cross-platform interchange at Abbey Wood.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/pro...announced.html

What a let down! Wasn't one of big benefits of Crossrail supposed to be
regeneration of north Kent, Greenhithe, Stone, Dartford through to Slade
Green, Erith and Belvedere?

If they think it's not feasible to track-share a few stops with SET to
Dartford & Ebbsfleet, what hope have they got running to and from
Shenfield?!

(x-posted to uk.railway)

"Rich Mallard" wrote in message ...
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
Fresh off the press - to prevent performance pollution from SET, Crossrail
will share no track with SET on its Isle of Dogs branch and will terminate
at a new cross-platform interchange at Abbey Wood.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/pro...announced.html

What a let down! Wasn't one of big benefits of Crossrail supposed to be
regeneration of north Kent, Greenhithe, Stone, Dartford through to Slade
Green, Erith and Belvedere?

If they think it's not feasible to track-share a few stops with SET to
Dartford & Ebbsfleet, what hope have they got running to and from
Shenfield?!


Surely Crossrail won't share tracks to Shenfield - the line is pretty
much segregated anyway. There's talk of a few trains terminating at
Liverpool Street to serve Maryland but I don't see it happening.

Jonn

Jonn Elledge wrote:
"Rich Mallard" wrote in message ...

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...

Fresh off the press - to prevent performance pollution from SET, Crossrail
will share no track with SET on its Isle of Dogs branch and will terminate
at a new cross-platform interchange at Abbey Wood.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/pro...announced.html

What a let down! Wasn't one of big benefits of Crossrail supposed to be
regeneration of north Kent, Greenhithe, Stone, Dartford through to Slade
Green, Erith and Belvedere?

If they think it's not feasible to track-share a few stops with SET to
Dartford & Ebbsfleet, what hope have they got running to and from
Shenfield?!



Surely Crossrail won't share tracks to Shenfield - the line is pretty
much segregated anyway. There's talk of a few trains terminating at
Liverpool Street to serve Maryland but I don't see it happening.

Jonn

I think they need the extra Liverpool St-only trains to cater for demand.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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Jonn Elledge wrote:
"Rich Mallard" wrote in message
...

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...

Fresh off the press - to prevent performance pollution from SET, Crossrail
will share no track with SET on its Isle of Dogs branch and will terminate
at a new cross-platform interchange at Abbey Wood.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/pro...announced.html

What a let down! Wasn't one of big benefits of Crossrail supposed to be
regeneration of north Kent, Greenhithe, Stone, Dartford through to Slade
Green, Erith and Belvedere?

If they think it's not feasible to track-share a few stops with SET to
Dartford & Ebbsfleet, what hope have they got running to and from
Shenfield?!



Surely Crossrail won't share tracks to Shenfield - the line is pretty
much segregated anyway. There's talk of a few trains terminating at
Liverpool Street to serve Maryland but I don't see it happening.

Jonn

I think they need the extra Liverpool St-only trains to cater for demand.


I'll believe Crossrail when I see it in operation
What will be first Crossrail or Thameslink 2000.

--
Alan Osborn

Alan Osborn wrote:

I'll believe Crossrail when I see it in operation
What will be first Crossrail or Thameslink 2000.


I fear we may see neither under "New" Labour. The gaping hole in the
public finances is widening and the slowing of the economy means that
the Government is holding back on infrastructure projects.

As the song went, "things can only get b.. WORSE"!

;-)

Dave Arquati wrote in message ...
Jonn Elledge wrote:
"Rich Mallard" wrote in message ...

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...

Fresh off the press - to prevent performance pollution from SET, Crossrail
will share no track with SET on its Isle of Dogs branch and will terminate
at a new cross-platform interchange at Abbey Wood.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/pro...announced.html

What a let down! Wasn't one of big benefits of Crossrail supposed to be
regeneration of north Kent, Greenhithe, Stone, Dartford through to Slade
Green, Erith and Belvedere?

If they think it's not feasible to track-share a few stops with SET to
Dartford & Ebbsfleet, what hope have they got running to and from
Shenfield?!



Surely Crossrail won't share tracks to Shenfield - the line is pretty
much segregated anyway. There's talk of a few trains terminating at
Liverpool Street to serve Maryland but I don't see it happening.

Jonn

I think they need the extra Liverpool St-only trains to cater for demand.

(sorry if this appears twice - server problems)

You really think so? When people complain that 4tph should be
sufficient for the line, I tend to assume they've never used it; but
even with the extra passengers Crossrail will bring, would 12 long
trains really be insufficient?

Jonn

Jonn Elledge wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote in message ...

Jonn Elledge wrote:

"Rich Mallard" wrote in message ...


"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...


Fresh off the press - to prevent performance pollution from SET, Crossrail
will share no track with SET on its Isle of Dogs branch and will terminate
at a new cross-platform interchange at Abbey Wood.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/pro...announced.html

What a let down! Wasn't one of big benefits of Crossrail supposed to be
regeneration of north Kent, Greenhithe, Stone, Dartford through to Slade
Green, Erith and Belvedere?

If they think it's not feasible to track-share a few stops with SET to
Dartford & Ebbsfleet, what hope have they got running to and from
Shenfield?!



Surely Crossrail won't share tracks to Shenfield - the line is pretty
much segregated anyway. There's talk of a few trains terminating at
Liverpool Street to serve Maryland but I don't see it happening.

Jonn

I think they need the extra Liverpool St-only trains to cater for demand.


(sorry if this appears twice - server problems)

You really think so? When people complain that 4tph should be
sufficient for the line, I tend to assume they've never used it; but
even with the extra passengers Crossrail will bring, would 12 long
trains really be insufficient?

Jonn

Romford receives up to 15tph in the evening peak, and significant growth
is expected at Stratford. CLRL estimate morning peak volumes on
westbound trains arriving at Stratford in 2016 to be around 36,000
passengers (across a period of around 3 hours). At an average of 12,000
pph, you'll need more than 12 trains to make sure overcrowding isn't
extremely severe. This figure is from the 2003 business case, before the
Richmond branch was axed, but I wouldn't have thought too many
passengers would be travelling from the Great Eastern to the Richmond
branch so soon after Crossrail opened.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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Surely Crossrail won't share tracks to Shenfield - the line is pretty
much segregated anyway. There's talk of a few trains terminating at
Liverpool Street to serve Maryland but I don't see it happening.

Jonn

Pretty much segregated with the notable exception of Forest Gate Junction
where freight trains to/from the Barking direction get in the way of
everything else.