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Can I ask a supplementary question? Whereabouts in London (or even in the
whole of Britain) is the closest pair of level crossings in terms of the
length of road (not railway) between them? I'm talking about separate
crossings with separate sets of barriers. I can think of a pair which are
very close, but I want to see if you suggest the same ones.


To kick this one off Martin. There are two in Crawley about 500 metres
apart.

I can't imagine that they are the closest though - any better out there?


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"Martin Underwood" wrote

Can I ask a supplementary question? Whereabouts in London (or even in the
whole of Britain) is the closest pair of level crossings in terms of the
length of road (not railway) between them? I'm talking about separate
crossings with separate sets of barriers. I can think of a pair which are
very close, but I want to see if you suggest the same ones.


To kick this one off Martin. There are two in Crawley about 500 metres
apart.

I can't imagine that they are the closest though - any better out there?


The pair I'm thinking of are much closer than this. I'd estimate about 50
metres.

I'll also add a second category: closest pair of level crossings in terms of
the length of railway between them.



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"Martin Underwood" wrote

Can I ask a supplementary question? Whereabouts in London (or even in the
whole of Britain) is the closest pair of level crossings in terms of the
length of road (not railway) between them? I'm talking about separate
crossings with separate sets of barriers. I can think of a pair which are
very close, but I want to see if you suggest the same ones.


To kick this one off Martin. There are two in Crawley about 500 metres
apart.

I can't imagine that they are the closest though - any better out there?


Vine Road, Barnes - there's room for only about 6 cars between the level
crossing on the Hounslow loop line and the level crossing on the Windsor
line:

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.c...le=5000&icon=x

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In message , Henry writes
"Martin Underwood" wrote

Can I ask a supplementary question? Whereabouts in London (or even in
the
whole of Britain) is the closest pair of level crossings in terms of the
length of road (not railway) between them? I'm talking about separate
crossings with separate sets of barriers. I can think of a pair which
are
very close, but I want to see if you suggest the same ones.


To kick this one off Martin. There are two in Crawley about 500 metres
apart.

I can't imagine that they are the closest though - any better out there?


Vine Road, Barnes - there's room for only about 6 cars between the level
crossing on the Hounslow loop line and the level crossing on the Windsor
line:

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.c...le=5000&icon=x


That's the one I was thinking of - unless anyone can think of a pair of
crossings that are even closer than that.


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Vine Road, Barnes - there's room for only about
6 cars between the level crossing on the
Hounslow loop line and the level crossing
on the Windsor line:


http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.c...le=5000&icon=x

That's the one I was thinking of - unless anyone can
think of a pair of crossings that are even closer than that.


In Nottingham a road crosses an adjacent railway and tramline. I think that
both lines are single track, being a former double track railway, but I
might be wrong there. There are barriers around the railway but the tramway
is ungated - this is because the tramline is too frequent to have a gated
crossing. I don't think there is room for even one car between the tramline
and the railway. (This is all hearsay, I have neve been there or seen
written confirmation).

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John Rowland wrote:

In Nottingham a road crosses an adjacent railway and tramline. I think that
both lines are single track, being a former double track railway, but I
might be wrong there. There are barriers around the railway but the tramway
is ungated - this is because the tramline is too frequent to have a gated
crossing. I don't think there is room for even one car between the tramline
and the railway. (This is all hearsay, I have neve been there or seen
written confirmation).


The first picture I can lay my hands on is at
http://www.nettrams.net/PictureGalle...s/WSBUP09F.htm
which suggests the yellow box and zig zags extend across the tramline
outside the barriers, as well as the NR line inside. So cars must not
stop there - especially since there is as you say no room !

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The first picture I can lay my hands on is at
http://www.nettrams.net/PictureGalle...s/WSBUP09F.htm
which suggests the yellow box and zig zags extend across the tramline
outside the barriers, as well as the NR line inside. So cars must not
stop there - especially since there is as you say no room !

With both tracks on the picture having identical platforms and overhead
wiring I'd suggest this is the wrong picture and is double tram track,
certainly the insulators aren't big enough for 25Kv.
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In message , Nick Leverton
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The first picture I can lay my hands on is at
http://www.nettrams.net/PictureGalle...s/WSBUP09F.htm
which suggests the yellow box and zig zags extend across the tramline
outside the barriers, as well as the NR line inside. So cars must not
stop there - especially since there is as you say no room !

With both tracks on the picture having identical platforms and overhead
wiring I'd suggest this is the wrong picture and is double tram track,
certainly the insulators aren't big enough for 25Kv.


Not sure what's wrong about it but you're correct about the tram line,
and to the right of it is the double track non-electrified Robin Hood line
(the nearside barriers can be seen).

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In message , at 17:41:47 on Tue,
14 Dec 2004, John Rowland
remarked:
In Nottingham a road crosses an adjacent railway and tramline. I think that
both lines are single track, being a former double track railway, but I
might be wrong there.


Both are double track. The tramline has been newly built to the west.

There are barriers around the railway but the tramway
is ungated - this is because the tramline is too frequent to have a gated
crossing.


The trams don't have barriers at any road "crossing", that's the way
trams are.
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In message , at 17:41:47 on Tue,
14 Dec 2004, John Rowland
remarked:
In Nottingham a road crosses an adjacent railway
and tramline. I think that both lines are single track,
being a former double track railway, but I might be
wrong there.


Both are double track.
The tramline has been newly built to the west.


Thanks.

There are barriers around the railway but the tramway
is ungated - this is because the tramline is too frequent
to have a gated crossing.


The trams don't have barriers at any road
"crossing", that's the way trams are.


It was originally proposed that the tramline would be inside the barriers.
This was scrapped because of the high frequency of the trams.

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