Have you ever gone over that little white line at the trafffic lights? Thats
a SPAD then, (dont pretend you haven't). Its not as clear cut as going
through at 40mph. It may only be 1 inch.....its still a SPAD. And there are
many reasons for a SPAD, some dont involve the T/Op. So I think we need a
few facts first.

"Mait001" wrote in message
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In article , Mait001
writes
So you think it's okay for drivers to pass red signals?

No.

However, I don't think it's okay for drivers to be convicted in kangaroo
courts either.

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Clive D.W. Feather

I may be wrong, but surely the fact of having passed signals at red is
not in
dispute - merely the "sentence" that ought to be imposed. That being so,
your
reference to "convicted in kangaroo courts" is otiose.

Marc.

In article , Mait001
writes
I may be wrong, but surely the fact of having passed signals at red is not in
dispute

I don't know the facts, so I can't comment. Even if a signal was passed
at read, it might not be the driver's fault.

- merely the "sentence" that ought to be imposed. That being so, your
reference to "convicted in kangaroo courts" is otiose.

Not so. If I am convicted by a court where I'm prevented from having the
representation that the law (or, in this case, the agreements in place)
permits, that's an injustice. One to which the term "kangaroo court" is
often applied.

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On 15 Dec 2004 03:24:27 -0800, "Boltar"
wrote:

Says it all:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4095303.stm
I've had enough of these arseholes. Why can't the goverment step in to
sort these militants out like they did with other industries and if
they won't play ball then just fire the ****ing lot of them. A few
weeks pain as new non unionised drivers are trained will be worth it in
the long run IMO.

As much as I agree with your position, Londoners *had* the chance to
do someting about this.

Steve Norris made it clear he'd remove Bob Crow from the Board of TfL
(I think TfL - or was the Undergound?) and make the RMT an offer that
they'd be mad to refuse.

Instead Londoners voted Red Ken back in.

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Cheers,

Jason.

In message , Jason
writes

Steve Norris made it clear he'd remove Bob Crow from the Board of TfL
(I think TfL - or was the Undergound?)

Bob Crowe resigned from the board of tfl last June:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/3838961.stm

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Paul Terry

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:29:22 +0000, Paul Terry
wrote:

In message , Jason
writes

Steve Norris made it clear he'd remove Bob Crow from the Board of TfL
(I think TfL - or was the Undergound?)

Bob Crowe resigned from the board of tfl last June:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/3838961.stm

Does this mean the RMT don't have a member on the TfL board? Somehow I
doubt the RMT would let that happen! So, same ****, different
bucket...

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Cheers,

Jason.

Jason wrote in uk.transport.london on Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:21:09 +0000
:

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:29:22 +0000, Paul Terry
wrote:

Bob Crowe resigned from the board of tfl last June:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/3838961.stm

Does this mean the RMT don't have a member on the TfL board?

Yes.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/abt_board_2004.shtml

HTH


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