On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:10:14 +0000, Clive Coleman wrote:

In message , Malcolm & Nika
writes
Mrs Redboots...thats the way the old urban myths start isnt it? You can
say anything you like but put a proviso on it...soon its repeated
without the proviso...just like the story about the 52 days holidays,
its not true but
hey it sounds good.
Think i'll start a few myself......
I did hear that the public sometimes - and I'm sure this can't be true
in
all cases........
Insert anything here.
Insist on using the tube during strike days when normally wild horses
wouldn't drag them out of their cars.

Noone drives in Zone 1. There's too much traffic.

Mait001 wrote:
I can't agree with you there, it was only the unions which kept
firemen
and guards on trains in the sixties for safety reasons when the
B.R.B.
Wanted single manning for economy, bugger the safety.
--
Clive.

Yes, and had that double-manning (which was insisted on by unions not
for safety reasons but to keep jobs for their members) been
discontinued, it is arguable that the Beeching axe would have fallen
less heavily since the sheer uneconomic nature of the over-manned
railways led to the closure of many lines that might otherwise have
remained open. If those lines had remained open, the railways and
passengers would have benefited ultimately, but this isn't something
about which the union leaders at the time could then (as now) give a
fig.


So going back in time you presumably think the Government were wrong for
insisting that train drivers should work a mere eight hours per day with a
minimum of twelve hours between shifts?

get the sack. Carrot and stick approach. Anyone who breaks the
agreement would be fired on the spot, no negotiation.

Ah but previously you wanted to 'sack 'em all'.

Thats pretty much what a lot of the drivers deserve IMO. However if
they signed
that deal it would be worth keeping them on.

And you don't think your proposals smack of exploitation?

Hardly. Explotation is where you're not getting suitable recompense for
your
efforts. LUL staff already get far MORE than they deserve when compared
to
other blue collar workers who don't get to sit in a nice cosy air
conditioned
cab or station most of the day. If anything the workers at LUL are
exploiting
the public since they know they've got LU over a barrel as there are
precious
few realistic alternatives to commuting into central london other than
by tube
so its not the same as the miners striking where coal could be bought
from
overseas.

B2003

What planet are you actually from Boltar?
Ai conditioned stations???? Cabs????? The place is a hell hole.


"Boltar" wrote in message
oups.com...
get the sack. Carrot and stick approach. Anyone who breaks the
agreement would be fired on the spot, no negotiation.

Ah but previously you wanted to 'sack 'em all'.

Thats pretty much what a lot of the drivers deserve IMO. However if
they signed
that deal it would be worth keeping them on.

And you don't think your proposals smack of exploitation?

Hardly. Explotation is where you're not getting suitable recompense for
your
efforts. LUL staff already get far MORE than they deserve when compared
to
other blue collar workers who don't get to sit in a nice cosy air
conditioned
cab or station most of the day. If anything the workers at LUL are
exploiting
the public since they know they've got LU over a barrel as there are
precious
few realistic alternatives to commuting into central london other than
by tube
so its not the same as the miners striking where coal could be bought
from
overseas.

B2003

Have you ever gone over that little white line at the trafffic lights? Thats
a SPAD then, (dont pretend you haven't). Its not as clear cut as going
through at 40mph. It may only be 1 inch.....its still a SPAD. And there are
many reasons for a SPAD, some dont involve the T/Op. So I think we need a
few facts first.

"Mait001" wrote in message
...
In article , Mait001
writes
So you think it's okay for drivers to pass red signals?

No.

However, I don't think it's okay for drivers to be convicted in kangaroo
courts either.

--
Clive D.W. Feather

I may be wrong, but surely the fact of having passed signals at red is
not in
dispute - merely the "sentence" that ought to be imposed. That being so,
your
reference to "convicted in kangaroo courts" is otiose.

Marc.

Malcolm & Nika wrote:
What planet are you actually from Boltar?
Ai conditioned stations???? Cabs????? The place is a hell hole.

Should I have brought my violin along? Lots of the trains have air con
and heating IN THE DRIVERS CAB, and compared to a bus drivers job its a
piece of ****. No traffic, no steering wheel, no worrying about the
next
fare sticking a knife at your throat. Hell hole my a*se. Sure they have
to
train for lots of emergency situations and have to know to do A if B
happens
or C if D happens, but 99% of their time is spent sitting on their
backsides moving a lever back and forth. Yeah , tough life! If they
think
they're hard done by perhaps they'd like to try door to door selling
around
various rough east end council estates like I did when I was younger
where you risked getting bitten by the some knuckle draggers pitbull or
beaten up by the local gang and have all your stuff nicked!

B2003

Door to door selling....couldn't and therefore wouldn't do it. I can see you
need to spend a day on the railway. I can assure you that not all of them
have air-con and some dont see daylight at all during the shift and
therefore at this time of year for upto 7 days at a time.
Sure its good money. But there is a bit more to it thatn moving a lever.

As for the hard life youve had....I used to live in a shoe box in the road.

And by the way....why dont the door to door sellers ever go on strike?

Your friend Mal
"Boltar" wrote in message
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Malcolm & Nika wrote:
What planet are you actually from Boltar?
Ai conditioned stations???? Cabs????? The place is a hell hole.

Should I have brought my violin along? Lots of the trains have air con
and heating IN THE DRIVERS CAB, and compared to a bus drivers job its a
piece of ****. No traffic, no steering wheel, no worrying about the
next
fare sticking a knife at your throat. Hell hole my a*se. Sure they have
to
train for lots of emergency situations and have to know to do A if B
happens
or C if D happens, but 99% of their time is spent sitting on their
backsides moving a lever back and forth. Yeah , tough life! If they
think
they're hard done by perhaps they'd like to try door to door selling
around
various rough east end council estates like I did when I was younger
where you risked getting bitten by the some knuckle draggers pitbull or
beaten up by the local gang and have all your stuff nicked!

B2003

Boltar wrote:
Malcolm & Nika wrote:
What planet are you actually from Boltar?
Ai conditioned stations???? Cabs????? The place is a hell hole.

Should I have brought my violin along? Lots of the trains have air con
and heating IN THE DRIVERS CAB, and compared to a bus drivers job its
a piece of ****. No traffic, no steering wheel, no worrying about the
next
fare sticking a knife at your throat. Hell hole my a*se. Sure they
have to
train for lots of emergency situations and have to know to do A if B
happens
or C if D happens, but 99% of their time is spent sitting on their
backsides moving a lever back and forth. Yeah , tough life! If they
think
they're hard done by perhaps they'd like to try door to door selling
around
various rough east end council estates like I did when I was younger
where you risked getting bitten by the some knuckle draggers pitbull
or beaten up by the local gang and have all your stuff nicked!


But you chose to do the job, if you didn't like it you could have quite
easily found something else, such as joining the underground and having a
nice cushy job.

"Malcolm & Nika" wrote in message
...

And by the way....why dont the door to door sellers ever go on strike?

Because the rest of the population could never be that lucky?

"Clive Coleman" wrote in message
...
now, who looks after the train? Who walks forward to lay detinatora to
protect the opposite direction, and who walks back to protect the
derailed train? Oh I forgot, trains don't derail now, do they.

The driver? Only member of staff on FGWL trains

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with where he works and all that lovely disclaimery stuff.
Posted in his lunch hour too.