Clive Coleman wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 16 Dec 2004:

I can't agree with you there, it was only the unions which kept firemen
and guards on trains in the sixties for safety reasons when the B.R.B.
Wanted single manning for economy, bugger the safety.

What I can't understand is why we feel the need to under-staff our
trains for reasons of economy, when in the USA they seem able to employ
not only one guard (or "conductor", as I understand they are called
there) per train, but seemingly one per carriage! No question of fare
evasion there - your ticket is checked every trip, and a chitty put into
a slot in the luggage-rack above your head, so the staff person knows
they've done it. The trains were a lot nicer than ours, too - roomy,
comfortable, and, above all, CLEAN, even the loos - and there was
drinking-water if you wanted it, which I always do.

How come "the land of the free" is so much more comfortable with high
levels of service than we are (don't get me started on how many
different staff members they seem to need to serve you in the cheapest
of restaurants!)?
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 12 December 2004

"Boltar" wrote in message
ups.com...

perhaps they'd like to try door to door selling around
various rough east end council estates like I did when
I was younger where you risked getting bitten by the
some knuckle draggers pitbull or beaten up by the
local gang and have all your stuff nicked!

I bet you got some action from the housewives though!

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

Brimstone wrote:
Should I have brought my violin along? Lots of the trains have air
con
and heating IN THE DRIVERS CAB, and compared to a bus drivers job
its
a piece of ****. No traffic, no steering wheel, no worrying about
the
next
fare sticking a knife at your throat. Hell hole my a*se. Sure they
have to
train for lots of emergency situations and have to know to do A if
B
happens
or C if D happens, but 99% of their time is spent sitting on their
backsides moving a lever back and forth. Yeah , tough life! If they
think
they're hard done by perhaps they'd like to try door to door
selling
around
various rough east end council estates like I did when I was
younger
where you risked getting bitten by the some knuckle draggers
pitbull
or beaten up by the local gang and have all your stuff nicked!


But you chose to do the job, if you didn't like it you could have
quite
easily found something else, such as joining the underground and
having a
nice cushy job.

I didn't like it. I did leave and get something else. Thats the whole
point.
If these lazy *******s working for LUL don't like their pay and
conditions
why don't they just **** off and go and do something else? Funnily
enough
you never find any off them giving an answer to that!

B2003

"Mrs Redboots" wrote in message
...
Clive Coleman wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 16 Dec 2004:

I can't agree with you there, it was only the unions which kept firemen
and guards on trains in the sixties for safety reasons when the B.R.B.
Wanted single manning for economy, bugger the safety.

What I can't understand is why we feel the need to under-staff our
trains for reasons of economy, when in the USA they seem able to employ
not only one guard (or "conductor", as I understand they are called
there) per train, but seemingly one per carriage! No question of fare
evasion there - your ticket is checked every trip, and a chitty put into
a slot in the luggage-rack above your head, so the staff person knows
they've done it. The trains were a lot nicer than ours, too - roomy,
comfortable, and, above all, CLEAN, even the loos - and there was
drinking-water if you wanted it, which I always do.

How come "the land of the free" is so much more comfortable with high
levels of service than we are (don't get me started on how many
different staff members they seem to need to serve you in the cheapest
of restaurants!)?

Perhaps because in the UK everyone simply wants to rip everyone else off and
the concept of providing a good service is confused with being some sort of
lower class being?

In message , Brimstone
writes

Perhaps because in the UK everyone simply wants to rip everyone else
off and the concept of providing a good service is confused with being
some sort of lower class being?
So you could be a Driver, Fireman and Guard, carry out all their duties
and with safety eh? O.K. I except that you're totally ignorant of
procedures and safety, so just why are you showing your ignorance unless
you're just a troll?
--
Clive.

In message . com,
Boltar writes
, such as joining the underground and
having a
nice cushy job.

I didn't like it. I did leave and get something else. Thats the whole
point. If these lazy *******s working for LUL don't like their pay and
conditions why don't they just **** off and go and do something else?
Funnily enough you never find any off them giving an answer to that!

B2003
Your assertions point to you being just a liar. You have never driven
a tube train and you've no idea what it involves.
Prove me wrong if you dare and make a bigger fool of your self.
--
Clive.

In message , Brimstone
writes

Perhaps because in the UK everyone simply wants to rip everyone else
off and the concept of providing a good service is confused with being
some sort of lower class being?
"Perhaps because in the U.K. everyone simply wants to" be safe.
--
Clive.

"Clive Coleman" wrote in message
...
In message , Brimstone
writes

Perhaps because in the UK everyone simply wants to rip everyone else off
and the concept of providing a good service is confused with being some
sort of lower class being?
So you could be a Driver, Fireman and Guard, carry out all their duties
and with safety eh? O.K. I except that you're totally ignorant of
procedures and safety, so just why are you showing your ignorance unless
you're just a troll?

WTF are you on about?

Your assertions point to you being just a liar. You have never
driven
tube train and you've no idea what it involves.

Excuse me? I never claimed to have driven one dickhead. Why don't you
go catch a clue train instead of a tube train then get back to me.

And spare me that captain-of-the-ship routine we frequently get from
tube
drivers. Its not in the same league. All you do is **** about with a
little lever
(and not even that on the victoria and central lines!) and press the
door
buttons 99% of the time. Don't pretend its a tough job because if you
do I'll
call YOU a liar.

B2003

In message . com,
Boltar writes

Excuse me? I never claimed to have driven one dickhead. Why don't you
go catch a clue train instead of a tube train then get back to me.

And spare me that captain-of-the-ship routine we frequently get from
tube drivers. Its not in the same league. All you do is **** about with
a little lever (and not even that on the victoria and central lines!)
and press the door buttons 99% of the time. Don't pretend its a tough
job because if you
do I'll
call YOU a liar.
Thank you for being honest enough to own up to never having driven one.
Now when you take back the rubbish spouted in the second paragraph and
the obscenity in the first, perhaps we could have a sensible
conversation.
--
Clive.