"Mait001" wrote in message
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Theirs is the sort of neanderthal mentality that means that it is now
literally
impossible to find a whole range of manufactured goods made in the U.K.,
ranging from matches to commercial vehicles and, yes, railway carriages!


Yeah, right. It's got nothing to do with the fact the average worker in
China gets paid 67p a day! Are you volunteering to take on that kind of
wage to restore the manufacturing base of the UK?

At least the bus drivers still have jobs.


As do the Chinese workers...except the 350+ who die every day due to low
safety levels.

Yeah, right. It's got nothing to do with the fact the average worker
in
China gets paid 67p a day! Are you volunteering to take on that kind
of
wage to restore the manufacturing base of the UK?

France, germany, italy etc sitll have viable large scale car
manufacturers,
train builders etc. Hmm , wonder why that is. Could it be the workers
actually got on with doing their job instead of farting about on a
picket
line? I'm old enough to remember the strikes at Leyland and it was just

so sad to see those cretins warming their hands over the oil drums
digging
not only their own career graves and that of their children, but the
whole british
car industry. The same could be said for various other blue collar
industries
in britain too.

B2003

Boltar wrote:
Yeah, right. It's got nothing to do with the fact the average worker
in China gets paid 67p a day! Are you volunteering to take on that
kind of wage to restore the manufacturing base of the UK?

France, germany, italy etc sitll have viable large scale car
manufacturers,
train builders etc. Hmm , wonder why that is. Could it be the workers
actually got on with doing their job instead of farting about on a
picket
line? I'm old enough to remember the strikes at Leyland and it was
just

so sad to see those cretins warming their hands over the oil drums
digging
not only their own career graves and that of their children, but the
whole british
car industry. The same could be said for various other blue collar
industries
in britain too.


The only reason that we have unions at all is because of crap managers. If
the people running a business treated the workforce as well as they wish to
be treated themselves there wouldn't be a need for unions.

The only reason that we have unions at all is because of crap
managers. If
the people running a business treated the workforce as well as they
wish to
be treated themselves there wouldn't be a need for unions.

Well thats the clincher isn't it. What is "as well as they wish to be
treated"?
We'd all like to just sit at home and be mailed cheques every month but
lifes
not like that and part of being an adult is realising that you can't
get something
for nothing and get away with making a mess and suffer no consequences.

Its a lesson that the RMT and Aslef don't seem to have learnt yet.
B2003

"Boltar" wrote in message
oups.com...
The only reason that we have unions at all is because of crap
managers. If
the people running a business treated the workforce as well as they
wish to
be treated themselves there wouldn't be a need for unions.

Well thats the clincher isn't it. What is "as well as they wish to be
treated"?

So you admit you don't understand English? Try reading the whole sentence.

We'd all like to just sit at home and be mailed cheques every month but
lifes
not like that and part of being an adult is realising that you can't
get something
for nothing and get away with making a mess and suffer no consequences.

Its a lesson that the RMT and Aslef don't seem to have learnt yet.

Who said anything about getting paid for doing nothing? You really do have
an overactive imagination.

"Boltar" wrote in message
oups.com...
The only reason that we have unions at all is because of crap
managers. If
the people running a business treated the workforce as well as they
wish to
be treated themselves there wouldn't be a need for unions.

Well thats the clincher isn't it. What is "as well as they wish to be
treated"?
We'd all like to just sit at home and be mailed cheques every month but
lifes
not like that


Are you accusing managers of doing that?

Personally, I think there will always be a need for unions. I remember when
M&S "didn't need" unions because they were such a good employer. Now look
at them closing stores and laying off workers.

"JB" wrote in message
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Personally, I think there will always be a need for
unions. I remember when M&S "didn't need" unions
because they were such a good employer. Now
look at them closing stores and laying off workers.

I suppose you think that if the coal miners had only had a union all the
mines would still be open.

Nothing that unions in this country do increases the number of employed
people in this country. Everything that unions do in this country decreases
the number of employed people in this country.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

In message , John Rowland
writes

I suppose you think that if the coal miners had only had a union all
the mines would still be open.

Nothing that unions in this country do increases the number of employed
people in this country. Everything that unions do in this country
decreases the number of employed people in this country.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
I can't agree with you there, it was only the unions which kept firemen
and guards on trains in the sixties for safety reasons when the B.R.B.
Wanted single manning for economy, bugger the safety.
--
Clive.

Brimstone wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 16 Dec 2004:

The only reason that we have unions at all is because of crap managers. If
the people running a business treated the workforce as well as they wish to
be treated themselves there wouldn't be a need for unions.


My father, who was a "boss", employed people who belonged to the
appropriate union (agricultural workers), and while he was totally in
favour of the union making sure all their members, including his
employees, got a fair deal - agricultural workers have always been
poorly paid - he said that the one thing he disliked was that he
couldn't reward someone who worked really well over and above standard
union rates without paying everybody the same, even those who didn't
deserve it - so the good workers didn't get as much money as he would
have liked them to!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 12 December 2004

"Mrs Redboots" wrote in message
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couldn't reward someone who worked really well over and above standard
union rates without paying everybody the same, even those who didn't
deserve it - so the good workers didn't get as much money as he would
have liked them to!

This is teh crux of "everyones equal" socialism

--
Everything above is the personal opinion of the author, and nothing to do
with where he works and all that lovely disclaimery stuff.
Posted in his lunch hour too.