1577+2260 wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 15 Dec 2004:

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:40:57 +0000, Mrs Redboots
wrote:


How many 315s have you seen at Clapham Junction?

Don't I mean 315s? What do I mean, then - you know, the jobs with
bright orange walls and low seat-backs.

The South West Trains and South Central inner suburban trains: Class
455.

So they are, thanks! Just got muddled with the numbers.....

These are similar to 315 but run on 3rd rail and are a bit newer.
They have the orange walls and low seats, but both operators are in
the process of refurbishing them, so expect changes: SWT recently
launched its first refurbished one (has Southern started refurbing
yet?).

Yes, I think it has - would this be why they have gone back to using
older trains on some services, if they have taken some out of service to
be refurbished?

Also there are Class 313s at Clapham Jn (Silverlink metro trains at
Platform 2) - these are very similar to 315s, but can run on the third
rail as well as overhead power supply.

I think I knew that, but never actually noticed it! (I've been on those
trains occasionally).
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 12 December 2004

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:49:01 +0000, Mrs Redboots
wrote:
milar to 315 but run on 3rd rail and are a bit newer.
They have the orange walls and low seats, but both operators are in
the process of refurbishing them, so expect changes: SWT recently
launched its first refurbished one (has Southern started refurbing
yet?).

Yes, I think it has - would this be why they have gone back to using
older trains on some services, if they have taken some out of service to
be refurbished?


On the inner suburban routes there have been slam-door trains on peak
services for quite some time as there are not enough 455s to cover the
peaks.

In article ,
Mrs Redboots wrote:
Also there are Class 313s at Clapham Jn (Silverlink metro trains at
Platform 2) - these are very similar to 315s, but can run on the third
rail as well as overhead power supply.

I think I knew that, but never actually noticed it! (I've been on those
trains occasionally).

The change power at a stop. When they go from 3rd rail to overhead,
you can just hear the "thunk" of the pan hitting the wires. I
/think/ the lights brighten just a little, too.

--
Mike Bristow - really a very good driver

Mike Bristow wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 16 Dec 2004:

In article ,
Mrs Redboots wrote:
Also there are Class 313s at Clapham Jn (Silverlink metro trains at
Platform 2) - these are very similar to 315s, but can run on the third
rail as well as overhead power supply.

I think I knew that, but never actually noticed it! (I've been on those
trains occasionally).

The change power at a stop. When they go from 3rd rail to overhead,
you can just hear the "thunk" of the pan hitting the wires. I
/think/ the lights brighten just a little, too.

Yeah, that bit I knew - I've been on the 319s of Thameslink often
enough, and on Eurostar, too. But I hadn't realised the trains that I
occasionally catch between West Brompton & Clapham Junctions weren't the
usual Southern ones - and the Silverlink ones are so similar that I
never noticed *that*, either!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 12 December 2004

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:46:15 +0000, Mrs Redboots
wrote:

Yeah, that bit I knew - I've been on the 319s of Thameslink often
enough, and on Eurostar, too. But I hadn't realised the trains that I
occasionally catch between West Brompton & Clapham Junctions weren't the
usual Southern ones - and the Silverlink ones are so similar that I
never noticed *that*, either!

If you only catch them between West Brompton and CLapham Junction you
won't have noticed the power change - it's further north. The
Silverlink trains on that route are 313s; Southern used to use 319s
(like Thameslink) that way as they can use both power supplies, but I
believe they use Electrostars now.

In article ,
(1577+2260) wrote:

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:46:15 +0000, Mrs Redboots
wrote:

Yeah, that bit I knew - I've been on the 319s of Thameslink often
enough, and on Eurostar, too. But I hadn't realised the trains that I
occasionally catch between West Brompton & Clapham Junctions weren't
the usual Southern ones - and the Silverlink ones are so similar that I
never noticed *that*, either!

If you only catch them between West Brompton and CLapham Junction you
won't have noticed the power change - it's further north. The
Silverlink trains on that route are 313s; Southern used to use 319s
(like Thameslink) that way as they can use both power supplies, but I
believe they use Electrostars now.

All are dual voltage but the very different Silverlink livery should give
it away, surely?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote to uk.transport.london on Sat, 18 Dec 2004:


All are dual voltage but the very different Silverlink livery should give
it away, surely?

Well, obviously - but to some of us a 3x2 train with uncomfortable
back-rests is a 3x2 train with uncomfortable back-rests no matter what
sort of livery it is wearing! Nor, indeed, who is responsible for
running it!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 18 December 2004