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![]() "Christine" wrote in message ... Class 458 won't be an option. A bold statement - but on what do you base it? Several well-informed colleagues in the industry are suggesting that this is exactly what is being proposed. But Class 375/376/377 in Metro variant is a very strong possiblity. Designed to be dual voltage and there could be surplus units in 2007 if the new SET franchise goes ahead with the ludicrous plan to run trains on the CTRL to St Pancras, using Bullet Trains, and remove the present Cannon Street mainliners!! On current passenger projections the handful of spare Electrostars resulting from this project (which hasn't a hope in hell of being ready for 2007 unless Hitachi recieve a signed contract imminently) would be required to strengthen existing services. Not everyone who works on the south side of the city will want to go to St. Pancras! |
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![]() Jack Taylor wrote: "Christine" wrote in message ... But Class 375/376/377 in Metro variant is a very strong possiblity. Designed to be dual voltage and there could be surplus units in 2007 if the new SET franchise goes ahead with the ludicrous plan to run trains on the CTRL to St Pancras, using Bullet Trains, and remove the present Cannon Street mainliners!! On current passenger projections the handful of spare Electrostars resulting from this project (which hasn't a hope in hell of being ready for 2007 unless Hitachi recieve a signed contract imminently) would be required to strengthen existing services. Not everyone who works on the south side of the city will want to go to St. Pancras! It's an interesting rumour nonetheless - the (rarely updated) ELLX pages on the TfL website show a picture of a 376 to illustrate "Proposed services" or somesuch. I still think that Junipers seem more likely though, as I don't think there's any doubt that they will become "properly" spare in the next couple of years. |
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![]() "Rupert Candy" wrote in message ups.com... It's an interesting rumour nonetheless - the (rarely updated) ELLX pages on the TfL website show a picture of a 376 to illustrate "Proposed services" or somesuch. I still think that Junipers seem more likely though, as I don't think there's any doubt that they will become "properly" spare in the next couple of years. I don't think that the 376 would be acceptable due to the lack of corridor connections in the ends for emergency exit in the tunnels, they would have to stick with the 375/377 design if they were to go down that road. |
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On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:43:49 GMT, "Jack Taylor"
wrote: On current passenger projections the handful of spare Electrostars resulting from this project (which hasn't a hope in hell of being ready for 2007 unless Hitachi recieve a signed contract imminently) would be required to strengthen existing services. Not everyone who works on the south side of the city will want to go to St. Pancras! Fully agree with you here. The time saved going into St Pancras is then added on getting back to the city by Underground. No doubt the 'Bullet' service will be charge as a premium service, so the extra cost for probably a same time journey won't be worth it! Life without sex just isn't life. Make love not war! |
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Christine wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:43:49 GMT, "Jack Taylor" wrote: [CTRL] On current passenger projections the handful of spare Electrostars resulting from this project (which hasn't a hope in hell of being ready for 2007 unless Hitachi recieve a signed contract imminently) would be required to strengthen existing services. Not everyone who works on the south side of the city will want to go to St. Pancras! Fully agree with you here. The time saved going into St Pancras is then added on getting back to the city by Underground. No doubt the 'Bullet' service will be charge as a premium service, so the extra cost for probably a same time journey won't be worth it! What about changing at Stratford for the Central line / GE, assuming the travelator is installed? Call it a 10 minute interchange at Stratford. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:09:58 +0000, Dave Arquati
wrote: Christine wrote: On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:43:49 GMT, "Jack Taylor" wrote: [CTRL] On current passenger projections the handful of spare Electrostars resulting from this project (which hasn't a hope in hell of being ready for 2007 unless Hitachi recieve a signed contract imminently) would be required to strengthen existing services. Not everyone who works on the south side of the city will want to go to St. Pancras! Fully agree with you here. The time saved going into St Pancras is then added on getting back to the city by Underground. No doubt the 'Bullet' service will be charge as a premium service, so the extra cost for probably a same time journey won't be worth it! What about changing at Stratford for the Central line / GE, assuming the travelator is installed? Call it a 10 minute interchange at Stratford. Even with a change at Stratford, there will be very little time gained for the extra cost of fares involved. For example, it takes 35 minutes from the Medway Towns into Cannon Street/London Bridge during the peak! The 'bullet train' would have to crawl through Strood and then manage 70 through the now reopened Strood/Higham tunnels, slow down and no doubt a stop at Gravesend, then join the CTRL at Northfleet. This would take 25 minutes without a stop at Gravesend, not forgetting other train passenger and freight on the North Kent section of the route. There is no scope to improve linespeeds either. Then depending if it makes it's slot on to the CTRL probably another seven minutes to Straford, ten to St Pancras. Very little gained. Even the Ramsgate Ashfords to London would gain very little! Life without sex just isn't life. Make love not war! |