In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

In message , at
01:19:00 on Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Colin Rosenstiel
remarked:
I remember them taking some time to get into service Roland. It could
have been two years before the job was complete.

OK, so we are agreed that they entered service in 1997.

Getting back to the original issue, are we surprised/shocked/unphased
that they are looking a bit worn and dirty after 8 years daily use??

I thought they had worn pretty well until I noticed a recent increase in
glass scratching and graffiti when in service.

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Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at
08:36:00 on Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Colin Rosenstiel
remarked:
Getting back to the original issue, are we surprised/shocked/unphased
that they are looking a bit worn and dirty after 8 years daily use??

I thought they had worn pretty well until I noticed a recent increase in
glass scratching and graffiti when in service.

Even two years ago there were plenty of scratches and dents in the
doors, and a generally "rusty/grubby" look to the outsides from knee
level down. The insides were reasonable, though.
--
Roland Perry

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

In message , at
08:36:00 on Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Colin Rosenstiel
remarked:
Getting back to the original issue, are we surprised/shocked/unphased
that they are looking a bit worn and dirty after 8 years daily use??

I thought they had worn pretty well until I noticed a recent increase
in glass scratching and graffiti when in service.

Even two years ago there were plenty of scratches and dents in the
doors, and a generally "rusty/grubby" look to the outsides from knee
level down. The insides were reasonable, though.

I don't agree. The external paintwork is in very good condition.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at
12:30:00 on Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Colin Rosenstiel
remarked:
Even two years ago there were plenty of scratches and dents in the
doors, and a generally "rusty/grubby" look to the outsides from knee
level down. The insides were reasonable, though.

I don't agree. The external paintwork is in very good condition.

Generally, yes, but there are lots of scrapes and dents. And brown
stains.
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Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at
12:30:00 on Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Colin Rosenstiel
remarked:
Even two years ago there were plenty of scratches and dents in the
doors, and a generally "rusty/grubby" look to the outsides from knee
level down. The insides were reasonable, though.

I don't agree. The external paintwork is in very good condition.

Generally, yes, but there are lots of scrapes and dents. And brown
stains.

What about some of the 317s though? The unrefurbished ones must have been
like that for much longer.

Angus

In message , at 15:21:01 on Mon, 17
Jan 2005, Angus Bryant remarked:
What about some of the 317s though? The unrefurbished ones must have been
like that for much longer.

Yes, but that's not the point. We were discussing how well the *365*'s
were holding up.
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Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
.uk...
In message , at 15:21:01 on Mon, 17
Jan 2005, Angus Bryant remarked:
What about some of the 317s though? The unrefurbished ones must have
been
like that for much longer.

Yes, but that's not the point. We were discussing how well the *365*'s
were holding up.

Good point. Just thought I'd say something about the 317s though! :-)

Angus