"David Jackman" wrote in message
52.50...
Dave Arquati wrote in
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I believe TfL are planning a reduced fare for a combined bus + Tube
journey using prepay, but this could be a while off as they wait for
each new Oyster product to "embed" itself (initial prepay, then bus
prepay, then peak bus fares, and then probably capping).

A discounted "through" bus fare would be excellent but could be open to
abuse - if it were based on a reasonable time allowance (say, 45 mins
between touching in on the first bus and the second) then you could make
a short bus journey, get off and do something, and get back on the
return bus.


I assume it is too much to expect this to mean that one fare would allow
unlimited travel for an hour (the way many continental systems work)
but we
will see yet more complexity added to an already over complex system?

(some systems, I think Berlin, now explicitly disallow a return journey
for
the one fare, even if within the hour)

Most european systems work this way. The ticket is for a
single ride, with no doubling back or circular journeys.
But as this is pretty difficult to enforce this, the time-limit is
there as well.

I can't say I've ever see a timed ticket (except a full day)
that is defined as unlimited rides.

tim

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:17:44 +0100, "tim"
wrote:

I can't say I've ever see a timed ticket (except a full day)
that is defined as unlimited rides.

I *think*, unless I misunderstood, that Prague's system *does* offer
unlimited rides.

I'm beginning to take to the idea of discounting a repeat journey -
one bus fare gbp1, two bus fares within an hour (say) gbp1.50, similar
arrangement with tube fares.

The main source of fraud which puts bus companies off the idea of
offering through tickets, from what I can tell, isn't that people
might pop to the shops and back on the same ticket - it's people
getting a through ticket and going and giving it to someone else in
the bus queue as they get off. They obviously wouldn't do that with a
loaded Pre-Pay card!

Neil

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In message , tim
writes
I can't say I've ever see a timed ticket (except a full day) that is
defined as unlimited rides.

Geneva does (or did when I was last there). Admittedly, though, that
was over ten years ago.
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:06:37 +0000, Ian Jelf
wrote in :
In message , tim
writes
I can't say I've ever see a timed ticket (except a full day) that is
defined as unlimited rides.

Geneva does (or did when I was last there). Admittedly, though, that
was over ten years ago.

Still does. Fr2.20 for 30 mins/2 zones, 2.50 for (IIRC 45 mins/3
zones, etc. Unfortunately ticket machines don't give change, so when it
was Fr1.80 I often found myself having to pay with a Fr2 coin, but only
able to claim Fr1.80 back from PPARC. I've since wised up and use the
CASH (stored value) of my Swiss bank-card, which debits the exact amount.
If I leave a credit on it, I can head straight to the buses at GVA instead
of getting notes out of a cash mashine and then making a trivial purchase
to get coins, as I usually run myself short of Swiss currency or spend it
in the Duty Free on my way out.

--
Ivan Reid, Electronic & Computer Engineering, ___ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. Room 40-1-B12, CERN
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".

Ian Jelf wrote to uk.transport.london on Tue, 11 Jan 2005:

In message , tim 5200109735
writes
I can't say I've ever see a timed ticket (except a full day) that is
defined as unlimited rides.

Geneva does (or did when I was last there). Admittedly, though, that
was over ten years ago.

I *think* Warsaw does, too, BICBW.
--
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Website updated 2 January 2005

"Mrs Redboots" wrote in message
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Ian Jelf wrote to uk.transport.london on Tue, 11 Jan 2005:

In message , tim 5200109735
writes
I can't say I've ever see a timed ticket (except a full day) that is
defined as unlimited rides.

Geneva does (or did when I was last there). Admittedly, though, that
was over ten years ago.

I *think* Warsaw does, too, BICBW.

No, it seem that you are right (I did not use PT when I
was there - I could not work out the tickets. It was pre
internet, so I had no chance to find out before I went.)

Now, I can't work out what the difference is between:

Bilety okresowe miejskie na okaziciela
and
Bilety sieciowe okresowe na okaziciela

Oh well, I'll just have to take the 2.40 Zl (0.50Eu) pd hit if I go
back!

tim

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Website updated 2 January 2005

"tim" wrote in message
...


Now, I can't work out what the difference is between:

Bilety okresowe miejskie na okaziciela
and
Bilety sieciowe okresowe na okaziciela

Looks like: "period ticket in the urban area for the bearer", and "network
period ticket for the bearer". Is the bearer female, I wonder? My Polish
Grammar never was very strong.
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Terry Harper wrote:
"tim" wrote in message
...


Now, I can't work out what the difference is between:

Bilety okresowe miejskie na okaziciela
and
Bilety sieciowe okresowe na okaziciela

Looks like: "period ticket in the urban area for the bearer", and
"network
period ticket for the bearer". Is the bearer female, I wonder? My
Polish
Grammar never was very strong.

No, I think the bearer's in the genitive, unless the diacritic on the
"a" is missing :-P

tim wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 12 Jan 2005:

No, it seem that you are right (I did not use PT when I
was there - I could not work out the tickets. It was pre
internet, so I had no chance to find out before I went.)

Now, I can't work out what the difference is between:

Bilety okresowe miejskie na okaziciela
and
Bilety sieciowe okresowe na okaziciela

No, me neither!

Oh well, I'll just have to take the 2.40 Zl (0.50Eu) pd hit if I go
back!

I, with some difficulty, bought a 7-day travelcard - with retrospect, I
should have got the hotel staff to write down for me what I should ask
the person manning the kiosk for! Next time, if there is a next time,
I'll do so.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 2 January 2005

"tim" writes:

I can't say I've ever see a timed ticket (except a full day)
that is defined as unlimited rides.

In most of Scandinavia, that's the normal case, as far as zonal ticket
systems are considered (eg all the capitals). It varies whether the
time limit applies to the last boarding or alighting, though. For
instance, in the regional system of the Helsinki area, single tickets
(cash or Oyster-prepay-like) are valid for unlimited travel within the
appropriate zone(s) for 60/80/100 minutes plus whatever it takes to
reach the last stop of the line after that (or max 1 full loop on
circular lines).