Ah yes, that topic that is dredged up again and again (frequently by me!).

We had some discussions on whether the fare caps would be the same price
as Travelcards, given that Oyster Prepay is not yet valid on most
National Rail services. The latest set of Mayor's Q&As (15 Dec) on the
GLA site has an answer to that very question.

http://mqt.london.gov.uk//public/question.do?id=9496

"Oyster Pre Pay daily caps will be set at Travelcard prices with one
exception. The cap for zone 1-6 travel after 9:30 am and all day on
weekends and holidays will be £5.70 - 30p less than the corresponding
Travelcard price. Although Oyster Pre Pay is not valid on National Rail,
except for inter-available routes, 74% of customers buying one-day
Travelcards from TfL use only TfL services. Adhering to Travelcard
prices is preferable to adding one more set of price points to an
already too complicated fare structure.I hope that Train operating
companies will adopt Oyster smart card ticketing as soon as possible."

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

If every journey on a particular day is by bus, or Tramlink, it would
not seem unreasonable to cap at the price of a bus pass, but I have not
heard of any intention to do this.

As 2005 moves to 06, 07 and on and on Fare capping still hasn't arrived!





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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:15:17 +0000, Abc Xyz wrote:

As 2005 moves to 06, 07 and on and on Fare capping still hasn't arrived!

Well as simple things like 1-day travel cards and reimbursing pre-pay
fares when a travelcard is purchased are still beyond them - how can you
expect prepay?

Dave Arquati wrote:

Ah yes, that topic that is dredged up again and again (frequently by me!).

We had some discussions on whether the fare caps would be the same price
as Travelcards, given that Oyster Prepay is not yet valid on most
National Rail services. The latest set of Mayor's Q&As (15 Dec) on the
GLA site has an answer to that very question.

http://mqt.london.gov.uk//public/question.do?id=9496

"Oyster Pre Pay daily caps will be set at Travelcard prices with one
exception. The cap for zone 1-6 travel after 9:30 am and all day on
weekends and holidays will be £5.70 - 30p less than the corresponding
Travelcard price.

In the meantime, I see no reason why fare capping for one day bus passes
can't be introduced at least as temporary measure until the mess is sorted
out with Travelcards. Clocking up a series of bus journeys at 80p (£1.00
for am peak after late February) until a £3.00 ceiling limit is reached is
hardly rocket science.....

Although Oyster Pre Pay is not valid on National Rail,
except for inter-available routes, 74% of customers buying one-day
Travelcards from TfL use only TfL services. Adhering to Travelcard
prices is preferable to adding one more set of price points to an
already too complicated fare structure.I hope that Train operating
companies will adopt Oyster smart card ticketing as soon as possible."

Better still for the TOCs to adopt a zone to zone fare structure rather
than point to point bringing it in line with LUL.

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home Page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

--- Phil Richards said...


Better still for the TOCs to adopt a zone to zone fare structure
rather
than point to point bringing it in line with LUL.

And even better still for LUL to adopt point-to-point instead of all
that zone nonsense.

Better still for the TOCs to adopt a zone to zone fare structure rather
than point to point bringing it in line with LUL.
Won't that alienate the people who pay less for their tickets under a point
to point system who stand to use if zones are imposed?

Not that the TOCs care about the way people feel ...

D

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 19:52:57 -0000, "Dave Plumb"
wrote:

Won't that alienate the people who pay less for their tickets under a point
to point system who stand to use if zones are imposed?

Some will lose and some will gain. In my mind, like the German model,
it makes perfect sense for a local transport authority to have
responsibility for setting the fares[1] on all local public transport
services, whatever the type, so I am all for it.

[1] *All* fares, with the transport companies not being permitted to
offer alternatives. Most PTEs offer their own seasons, as of course
do TfL, but users of single fares don't benefit from this.

Neil

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When replying please use neil at the above domain
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"Neil Williams" wrote:

Some will lose and some will gain. In my mind, like the German model,
it makes perfect sense for a local transport authority to have
responsibility for setting the fares[1] on all local public transport
services, whatever the type, so I am all for it.

I guess it's fair if you'd use the extra validity you might gain. I have a
point to point into zone 2 and then a 2 zone Oyster, which suits my travel
pattern and gives me travel where I use it, £370 a year less than the
equivalent "all zones" card for my station (from outside the zones). If they
zone out as far as planned I will pay more and get travel to areas I don't
travel to.

The TfL plan is good, if it irons out anomolies like zone 3 - london
terminals ranging from £1.70-£3.70
(http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/downloads/...uthority-propo
sal.pdf) and the roll out of Oyster and prepay to NR - but I think the
current zones are big enough, to introduce more won't help anyone.

Dave

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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:15:17 +0000, Abc Xyz wrote:

As 2005 moves to 06, 07 and on and on Fare capping still hasn't arrived!

Well as simple things like 1-day travel cards and reimbursing pre-pay
fares when a travelcard is purchased are still beyond them - how can you
expect prepay?


8 days into 2005 it's apparently nearly 2006, glad I brought those Xmas
cards cheap in the sales!

Prepay does work (99.9% of the time anyway), it's just the capping that
needs further testing