On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:18:28, wrote:


StaticFish wrote:
It's still a degree, it's a "proper" University, and you're an
arrogant
arse-hole


Yes it is a degree and yes Roehampton does seem to be one of the better
new universities (number 64 in the times online league tables)

The fact still remains that students of computing at Roehampton are
only required to get 200 UCAS points (thats a C and 2 D's at A level)

That'll be a D and two E's in 1970 O-Level terms then.

--
Jim Crowther "It's MY computer" (tm SMG)

Always learning.

Jim Crowther wrote the
following in:

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:18:28, wrote:


StaticFish wrote:
It's still a degree, it's a "proper" University, and you're an
arrogant
arse-hole


Yes it is a degree and yes Roehampton does seem to be one of the
better new universities (number 64 in the times online league
tables)

The fact still remains that students of computing at Roehampton
are only required to get 200 UCAS points (thats a C and 2 D's at A
level)

That'll be a D and two E's in 1970 O-Level terms then.

Ah yes, qualifications don't mean anything, blah blah blah. The world
we live in is very different now than it was in the 1970s. If a person
from the 70s were to travel through time and find themself in 2005, I
doubt they'd be able to do much of any use no matter what grades they
got. The world changes. Move with it.

--
message by Robin May. That egotism was getting old.

http://robinmay.fotopic.net

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:24:03, Robin May wrote:

The world changes. Move with it.

Quite, so stop the politicos from ****ing about with the perceived value
of academic (or vocational) qualifications then.

Totally OT, so FU to poster

--
Jim Crowther "It's MY computer" (tm SMG)

Always learning.

In message , at 15:43:57 on Sun,
16 Jan 2005, Mike Bristow remarked:
Of course, it's just a Small Matter Of Programming, so I'm sure it'll be along
any decade now.

Apparently they are training some more programmers at Roehampton.
--
Roland Perry

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:50:14 +0000, Tom Cordiner
wrote:

Most of this 'devaluation' was done in 1992 by the Conservative
government. The Further and Higher Education Act (1992) granted
university status to most of the national network of polytechnics and
colleges.

Despite being a Cambridge snob (!) I was under the impression
Roehamption was one of the better new universities?

Perhaps.

The thing that annoys me about it is not the "devaluation" of degrees,
but the fact that what were superb polytechnics, teaching hands-on
subjects to those to whom normal academia was unsuited, turned in many
cases into second-rate universities. This killed off a vital source
of vocational training, and has partly lead to the shortage of skills
like building, plumbing and electrical.

The idea that the polys were just second-rate universities, and not
something different and equally valid, contributed to this damage.

I think we may well be the only country in Europe that did this. The
Technische Universitaeten in Germany seem much more highly respected
as they are, for very good reason.

Neil

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On 16 Jan 2005 14:03:26 -0800, wrote:



My point exactly - it was renamed as a university when labour devalued
degrees by converting polys into universities and giving them degree
awarding powers.

Wrong on rather a lot of counts. The former polys were renamed as
universities in 1992, so that was a Conservative, not Labour, move.
The renaming had nothing to do with devaluing degrees, since the polys
had been degree-awarding institutions for a very long time before
that. And the 1992 changes had nothing at all to do with Roehampton.
It used to be an institute of higher education, then became part of
the University of Surrey, and recently because a University in its own
right.

Martin

wrote:
The fact still remains that students of computing at Roehampton are
only required to get 200 UCAS points (thats a C and 2 D's at A level)

That's an entry requirement ... not the standard of degrees they award.
You'd be better off showing evidence (if it exists) that their teaching
is substandard or that they award degrees to people who don't deserve
them.

#Paul

Thanks for the support Tom. Yes, infact Roehampton has *very good*
position in the academic league tables (present first year company
excluded) ;-)

Dan

Tom Cordiner wrote:
wrote:
StaticFish wrote:


2) Actaully smartarse, It used to be Roehampton Instutute, but as
of
around 2000 it has University status. I do a computer programing
course. A seperate cambus from the teaching section. so Shhh


My point exactly - it was renamed as a university when labour
devalued
degrees by converting polys into universities and giving them
degree
awarding powers.

Most of this 'devaluation' was done in 1992 by the Conservative
government. The Further and Higher Education Act (1992) granted
university status to most of the national network of polytechnics and

colleges.

Despite being a Cambridge snob (!) I was under the impression
Roehamption was one of the better new universities?

Tom

Robin May wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 17 Jan 2005:


Ah yes, qualifications don't mean anything, blah blah blah. The world
we live in is very different now than it was in the 1970s. If a person
from the 70s were to travel through time and find themself in 2005, I
doubt they'd be able to do much of any use no matter what grades they
got. The world changes. Move with it.

And some of us who did just that - the usual way, one day at a time -
can't do much with it anyway!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 2 January 2005

Jim Crowther wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 17 Jan 2005:

What's worse, there seems very little vocational training available for
14+ year-olds who are not academic. This maybe why we have so
many chavs on the streets, and such a paucity of trained engineers
(lowercase to stop offending some IEEE members) / mechanics /
technicians / etc.

Actually, there is the excellent NVQ scheme, which starts of at about
GCSE standard and goes up to the equivalent of degree standard. Sadly,
it's perceived as inferior to GCSEs, in spite of one NVQ being deemed
equivalent to 3 of them (which causes much sucking of teeth by Disgusted
of Tunbridge Wells, as you can imagine), and the on-the-job training,
which is such a valuable part of the NVQ training is not, of course,
available to 14-year-olds.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 2 January 2005