Tony Bryer wrote:
In article . com,
Boltar wrote:

Can't see how its physically possible anyway. What would they
do, force all cars to have transceivers put in them? Who will
pay? And what if people just tell them to get lost? Put
cameras literally everywhere to catch them? IMO all it will do
is increase the already vast number of unregistered cars (or
registered to the wrong address) on the roads.


It's done in Melbourne already:
(snip)

You can opt not to use a toll road - but if you really need to drive
into London, you can't opt not to. The current congestion charge
requires no car-based infrastructure so it's not a problem - but in a
tag-based congestion charge, you can't just turn away cars without
transceivers. There has to be an alternative somehow, perhaps one which
incentivises you to get a tag. Maybe cameras will charge you a tenner if
you don't have a tag, but if you have a tag, your variable charge will
not exceed a tenner.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...

You can opt not to use a toll road - but if you really
need to drive into London, you can't opt not to.
The current congestion charge requires no car-based
infrastructure so it's not a problem - but in a tag-based
congestion charge, you can't just turn away cars without
transceivers. There has to be an alternative somehow,
perhaps one which incentivises you to get a tag. Maybe
cameras will charge you a tenner if you don't have a tag,
but if you have a tag, your variable charge will
not exceed a tenner.

Why not just use cameras? I don't know what the road network is like in
Melbourne, but in suburban London the overground railways, rivers, parks and
segregated dual carriageways carve the suburban road network into a large
number of small sectors with relatively few links between them, and the
railways reach approximately to the existing central congestion charge area,
so you wouldn't need as many cameras as people might think. If all of the
cameras acted as a SPECS network as well, all of the speed humps and GATSOs
could be abolished.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

John Rowland wrote:
Why not just use cameras? I don't know what the road network is like
in
Melbourne, but in suburban London the overground railways, rivers,
parks and
segregated dual carriageways carve the suburban road network into a
large
number of small sectors with relatively few links between them, and
the

You are joking? Londons roads are a rats nest of backstreets , with
dozens
of different routes from any A to B. Even large roads like the north
circ
have numerous crossings , overpasses, underpasses and so forth. You
could
put cameras everywhere but as I said in another post , all this will do
is increase unregistered car numbers , plus cause huge resentment among
motorists who are already getting fleeced left right and centre by the
govn.

If you want to reduce traffic first stop the school run perhaps by
banning
parking outside schools to anyone except nearby residents and have a
tow
truck on standby in case someone takes a chance, and once you've done
that
you'll find rush hour traffic drop precipitously. Ask anyone whos
driven to
work during the school holidays.

B2003

"Boltar" wrote in message
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If you want to reduce traffic first stop the school
run perhaps by banning parking outside schools
to anyone except nearby residents and have a tow
truck on standby in case someone takes a chance,

But the school runners remain in their cars while waiting for the children,
so parking restrictions won't affect them.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

John Rowland wrote:
"Boltar" wrote in message
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If you want to reduce traffic first stop the school
run perhaps by banning parking outside schools
to anyone except nearby residents and have a tow
truck on standby in case someone takes a chance,


But the school runners remain in their cars while waiting for the children,
so parking restrictions won't affect them.

Some might do but the ones I see near my home park, illegally, on the
pavement and take their children to / from school itself. Of course the
parents might be more concerned as these are primary school children.

This might raise the question of why they don't walk their children they
half mile or so to / from school but that is another topic. BTW some at
least are not doing the school run on their way to / from work as they
stand around nattering after dropping the children off in the mornings.