On 7 Feb 2005 04:28:34 -0800, "TheOneKEA" wrote:

Does anyone know if anything will be happening on this date at that
station?

30th Anniversary of the 1975 Moorgate train crash?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2515033.stm

"Marc Brett" wrote in message
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On 7 Feb 2005 04:28:34 -0800, "TheOneKEA" wrote:

Does anyone know if anything will be happening on this date at that
station?

30th Anniversary of the 1975 Moorgate train crash?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2515033.stm


Why should anything be happening?

Brimstone wrote:

Why should anything be happening?

Because it is the 30-year anniversary of the worst train disaster on
the Underground to date?

"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
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Brimstone wrote:

Why should anything be happening?

Because it is the 30-year anniversary of the worst train disaster on
the Underground to date?


So what, why is there this fascination with commemorating every incident
than occurs where someone dies? How about commemorating Quitinshill,
Abermule, Harrow and the other incidents that have occured. We could also
add Staines, Lckerbie and various other such incidents. What leads you to
suppose that the relatives and those involved as either as surviving
passengers or emergency services personnel want to be reminded?

The "memorial", if you want one, is in daily use all over the system. It's
know as "Moorgate Control".

Brimstone wrote:

So what, why is there this fascination with commemorating every
incident than occurs where someone dies? How about commemorating
Quitinshill, Abermule, Harrow and the other incidents that have
occured. We could also add Staines, Lckerbie and various other
such incidents. What leads you to suppose that the relatives and
those involved as either as surviving passengers or emergency
services personnel want to be reminded?

The folks who were involved with Ladbroke Grove have certainly minded;
they had the memorial erected near the site of the crash and I believe
they visit there on the anniversary of the crash as well!

Considering that Moorgate was equally as terrible as Ladbroke Grove, it
seems only logical that the bereaved and anyone else involved in that
may want to hold some sort of ceremony. And I would not be surprised if
anyone involved in any of the incidents you named don't also do
something similar, even if it is informal.


The "memorial", if you want one, is in daily use all over the
system. It's know as "Moorgate Control".

Indeed!

Either way, I was only curious if anything official was planned.

TheOneKEA wrote:

The folks who were involved with Ladbroke Grove have certainly
minded; they had the memorial erected near the site of the crash
and I believe they visit there on the anniversary of the crash as
well!

Considering that Moorgate was equally as terrible as Ladbroke
Grove, it seems only logical that the bereaved and anyone else
involved in that may want to hold some sort of ceremony. And I
would not be surprised if anyone involved in any of the incidents
you named don't also do something similar, even if it is informal.

I think the survivors and bereaved from the Ladbroke Grove crash will
want to continue visiting the memorial until they feel that the lessons
have all been learnt and solutions implemented. When that stage has been
reached, as it has for Moorgate, then if I were involved I would want to
remember and celebrate the lives of those who died rather than continue
to dwell on the way in which they died.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

TheOneKEA wrote:
Brimstone wrote:

So what, why is there this fascination with commemorating every
incident than occurs where someone dies? How about commemorating
Quitinshill, Abermule, Harrow and the other incidents that have
occured. We could also add Staines, Lckerbie and various other
such incidents. What leads you to suppose that the relatives and
those involved as either as surviving passengers or emergency
services personnel want to be reminded?

The folks who were involved with Ladbroke Grove have certainly minded;
they had the memorial erected near the site of the crash and I believe
they visit there on the anniversary of the crash as well!

That is their personal choice and not one I'm intending to argue with. It
hasn't been instituted by officialdom or some other outsider.

Considering that Moorgate was equally as terrible as Ladbroke Grove,
it seems only logical that the bereaved and anyone else involved in
that may want to hold some sort of ceremony. And I would not be
surprised if anyone involved in any of the incidents you named don't
also do something similar, even if it is informal.

If they did it would more likely have been done at the 10th or 25th
anniversaries.

It is only in very recent years that this wish to commemorate every
incident, evidenced by the abundance of memorials at the scene of road and
other accidents, has arisen. Previously people learnt lessons (usually) and
got on with their lives, the bereaved were left to grieve in peace.


The "memorial", if you want one, is in daily use all over the
system. It's know as "Moorgate Control".

Indeed!

Either way, I was only curious if anything official was planned.

"Brimstone" wrote in message ...
The "memorial", if you want one, is in daily use all over the system. It's
know as "Moorgate Control".

It's actually called TETS Protection (Trains Entering Terminal Stations).

Thomas Crame wrote:
"Brimstone" wrote in message
...
The "memorial", if you want one, is in daily use all over the
system. It's
know as "Moorgate Control".

It's actually called TETS Protection (Trains Entering Terminal
Stations).

Is that just within LU or in the wider railway operating world as well?

"Brimstone" wrote in message ...
Thomas Crame wrote:
"Brimstone" wrote in message
...
The "memorial", if you want one, is in daily use all over the
system. It's
know as "Moorgate Control".

It's actually called TETS Protection (Trains Entering Terminal
Stations).

Is that just within LU or in the wider railway operating world as well?

Pass. TETS is the official designation within LU and all the
Engineering Standards. It's a variation on TES (Trains Entering
Sidings) which pre-dated the Moorgate crash.