John Rowland wrote:
"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message
...

It strikes me you might save money with Oyster
PrePay, especially if you travel at weekends or
after 7pm, when the fares are much lower. You
really have to think ahead for each days travel,
using the fares leaflet, and then work out what
will be cheapest. SORRY!


I thought the whole point of capping is that you *don't* have to think ahead
for each days travel, using the fares leaflet, and then work out what will
be cheapest.

True... but since prepay is not yet here for National Rail, Ian is
probably better off considering what he might be doing in advance.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote:
Phil Richards wrote:
Aidan Stanger wrote:


That depends on where they work. Walking is quicker to some
locations, but there are many places people walk to even though
it's slower.


Personal choice and of course a brisk walk from the station to the
office and back in the evening is good for you anyway!

The Tube magazine talked about how walking was a good idea from some
rail termini rather than a short Tube journey; one example was
someone arriving at King's Cross who used to catch the Tube to
Russell Square but now walks; another was someone arriving at
Victoria who used to catch the Tube to Knightsbridge (yes, changing
at Green Park!!!!!).

The latter person needed a good whack around the head with a map,
IMHO. It's understandable when people unfamiliar with the city take
the Tube to locations which are within easy walking distance, but
for a regular commuter it's a bit daft.

I think that's a bit harsh. According to the TfL Journey Planner, tube
via Green Park will take 9 to 12 minutes whereas walking "fast" takes 16
minutes. Depends what your priorities are. If the commuter preferred
not to walk a mile in all weathers and got his exercise in other ways,
then why not go by Tube?

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 14 Feb 2005:


I think that's a bit harsh. According to the TfL Journey Planner, tube
via Green Park will take 9 to 12 minutes whereas walking "fast" takes 16
minutes. Depends what your priorities are. If the commuter preferred
not to walk a mile in all weathers and got his exercise in other ways,
then why not go by Tube?

What's wrong with a 52 bus, which is how we always went from Victoria to
Knightsbridge when I was a child. We would get off at what was then
called The Scotch House, but is now Burberry, and walk down the Brompton
Arcade on to Knightsbridge, and thus to my grandmother's flat near
Harrods. The bus still runs on the same route, as far as I know....
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 23 January 2005 with new photos

Mrs Redboots wrote:
Richard J. wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 14 Feb 2005:


I think that's a bit harsh. According to the TfL Journey Planner, tube
via Green Park will take 9 to 12 minutes whereas walking "fast" takes 16
minutes. Depends what your priorities are. If the commuter preferred
not to walk a mile in all weathers and got his exercise in other ways,
then why not go by Tube?


What's wrong with a 52 bus, which is how we always went from Victoria to
Knightsbridge when I was a child.

The C1 takes quite a pleasant, if longer, route too.

Mrs Redboots wrote:
Richard J. wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 14 Feb 2005:


I think that's a bit harsh. According to the TfL Journey Planner,
tube via Green Park will take 9 to 12 minutes whereas walking
"fast" takes 16 minutes. Depends what your priorities are. If
the commuter preferred not to walk a mile in all weathers and got
his exercise in other ways, then why not go by Tube?

What's wrong with a 52 bus, which is how we always went from
Victoria to Knightsbridge when I was a child. We would get off at
what was then called The Scotch House, but is now Burberry, and
walk down the Brompton Arcade on to Knightsbridge, and thus to my
grandmother's flat near Harrods. The bus still runs on the same
route, as far as I know....

Yes, but it takes 12-16 minutes (including waiting) compared to 9-12
minutes on the Tube, according to the TfL JP.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote:
Mrs Redboots wrote:

Richard J. wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 14 Feb 2005:


I think that's a bit harsh. According to the TfL Journey Planner,
tube via Green Park will take 9 to 12 minutes whereas walking
"fast" takes 16 minutes. Depends what your priorities are. If
the commuter preferred not to walk a mile in all weathers and got
his exercise in other ways, then why not go by Tube?


What's wrong with a 52 bus, which is how we always went from
Victoria to Knightsbridge when I was a child. We would get off at
what was then called The Scotch House, but is now Burberry, and
walk down the Brompton Arcade on to Knightsbridge, and thus to my
grandmother's flat near Harrods. The bus still runs on the same
route, as far as I know....


Yes, but it takes 12-16 minutes (including waiting) compared to 9-12
minutes on the Tube, according to the TfL JP.

I'm extremely sceptical about that 9-12 minute estimate. Is that
platform-to-platform? Being highly optimistic, I'd give 3 minutes to
descend to the Victoria line at Victoria, 1.5 minutes' wait/boarding
time, 2 minutes' journey, at least 3 minutes' interchange at Green Park,
1.5 minutes' wait/boarding time, 5 minutes to Knightsbridge and then a
minute to ascend to the surface, making my most optimistic guess 17 minutes.

My experience of the 52 is generally very pleasant; it's right outside
the terminal at Victoria, with probably a 5 minute wait and a 10 minute
journey.

I would walk from Imperial to Victoria Coach station at a fast pace in a
bit under 20 minutes. Knightsbridge a bit over half that distance, so a
fast pace would be 12 minutes, a more moderate one perhaps 18 minutes.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
Mrs Redboots wrote:

Richard J. wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 14 Feb 2005:


I think that's a bit harsh. According to the TfL Journey
Planner,
tube via Green Park will take 9 to 12 minutes whereas walking
"fast" takes 16 minutes. Depends what your priorities are. If
the commuter preferred not to walk a mile in all weathers and got
his exercise in other ways, then why not go by Tube?


What's wrong with a 52 bus, which is how we always went from
Victoria to Knightsbridge when I was a child. We would get off at
what was then called The Scotch House, but is now Burberry, and
walk down the Brompton Arcade on to Knightsbridge, and thus to my
grandmother's flat near Harrods. The bus still runs on the same
route, as far as I know....


Yes, but it takes 12-16 minutes (including waiting) compared to
9-12 minutes on the Tube, according to the TfL JP.

I'm extremely sceptical about that 9-12 minute estimate. Is that
platform-to-platform?

No, I've just realised it's the JP cheating again! If you ask for
Victoria to Knightsbridge via Green Park, they offer you, for example, a
departure at 08:28 that arrives at 08:37, a 9-minute journey. But when
you ask for the details, it says 2 minutes to Green Park, 6 minutes
interchange/wait, 4 minutes Piccadilly Line to Knightsbridge, total *12*
minutes with arrival at 08:40. It's about time they fixed this bug
which has been around for months and months.

So my range, allowing for waiting time at Victoria, should have been
12-14 minutes, but you're right that it's platform to platform.

Being highly optimistic, I'd give 3 minutes to descend to the
Victoria line at Victoria, 1.5 minutes' wait/boarding time, 2
minutes' journey, at least 3 minutes' interchange at Green Park,
1.5 minutes' wait/boarding time, 5 minutes to Knightsbridge and
then a minute to ascend to the surface, making my most optimistic
guess 17 minutes.

My experience of the 52 is generally very pleasant; it's right
outside the terminal at Victoria, with probably a 5 minute wait
and a 10 minute journey.

The JP says it's a 13-minute journey, with buses every 4-5 minutes.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Phil Richards wrote:

Aidan Stanger wrote:

That depends on where they work. Walking is quicker to some locations,
but there are many places people walk to even though it's slower.

Personal choice and of course a brisk walk from the station to the office
and back in the evening is good for you anyway!

Are you seriously trying to claim that the fact that it's much cheaper
isn't a major factor?

Richard J. wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:

Richard J. wrote:

Mrs Redboots wrote:

Richard J. wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 14 Feb 2005:

I think that's a bit harsh. According to the TfL Journey
Planner,
tube via Green Park will take 9 to 12 minutes whereas walking
"fast" takes 16 minutes. Depends what your priorities are. If
the commuter preferred not to walk a mile in all weathers and got
his exercise in other ways, then why not go by Tube?

What's wrong with a 52 bus, which is how we always went from
Victoria to Knightsbridge when I was a child. We would get off at
what was then called The Scotch House, but is now Burberry, and
walk down the Brompton Arcade on to Knightsbridge, and thus to my
grandmother's flat near Harrods. The bus still runs on the same
route, as far as I know....

Yes, but it takes 12-16 minutes (including waiting) compared to
9-12 minutes on the Tube, according to the TfL JP.

I'm extremely sceptical about that 9-12 minute estimate. Is that
platform-to-platform?

No, I've just realised it's the JP cheating again! If you ask for
Victoria to Knightsbridge via Green Park, they offer you, for example, a
departure at 08:28 that arrives at 08:37, a 9-minute journey. But when
you ask for the details, it says 2 minutes to Green Park, 6 minutes
interchange/wait, 4 minutes Piccadilly Line to Knightsbridge, total *12*
minutes with arrival at 08:40. It's about time they fixed this bug
which has been around for months and months.

Yes, I've noticed that too.

So my range, allowing for waiting time at Victoria, should have been
12-14 minutes, but you're right that it's platform to platform.

I think the descent at Victoria is particularly important because it's
such a busy station at any time of day, let alone during the peaks.

Being highly optimistic, I'd give 3 minutes to descend to the
Victoria line at Victoria, 1.5 minutes' wait/boarding time, 2
minutes' journey, at least 3 minutes' interchange at Green Park,
1.5 minutes' wait/boarding time, 5 minutes to Knightsbridge and
then a minute to ascend to the surface, making my most optimistic
guess 17 minutes.

My experience of the 52 is generally very pleasant; it's right
outside the terminal at Victoria, with probably a 5 minute wait
and a 10 minute journey.

The JP says it's a 13-minute journey, with buses every 4-5 minutes.

JP is weird. If the average speed of a bus, including stops, were 7mph
(based on the 49 which takes 50 minutes from Clapham Junction to
Shepherd's Bush) and saying that it's about a mile from Victoria to
Knightsbridge, that's about an 8.5 minute journey. A 13-minute journey
would be at the low, low speed of 4.6mph... and there are only 3 stops
between Victoria bus station and Knightsbridge station.

On the other hand, I made a journey from my flat to Ealing which JP said
would take 38 minutes total, and it took... exactly 38 minutes. I think
TfL's fast walking speed almost exactly matches my own.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London