On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:20:30 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:07:49 +0000, Paul Corfield
wrote:

[1] it was certainly the case when I used to run the fare computer! It
is possible it has changed as a result of Prestige but I somehow doubt
that LU would have removed that part of the system design.

It's not so much whether the "mastering" system can cope, but the vast
array of 10-button "simplified" ticket machines certainly cannot, and
would all have to be replaced.

I acknowledged this point but if you have any memory of the Tube prior
to zonal fares and I just about do then the old set up had arrays of
free standing single fare machine with huge signs above them saying
which stations for that fare. If you were very lucky you had a machine
with 10 buttons on it. It was the case that the same fare applied to a
number of stations even if there were not zones.

There is no direct reason why the most popular cash fares could not go
on the few fare (10 button) machine and the rest would be on the multi
fare. I don't accept that LU would have to replace all the machines -
after all NR ticket machines cannot sell you a ticket to every station
on their part of the network.

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Paul Corfield writes:

I acknowledged this point but if you have any memory of the Tube prior
to zonal fares and I just about do then the old set up had arrays of
free standing single fare machine with huge signs above them saying
which stations for that fare. If you were very lucky you had a machine
with 10 buttons on it.

Also, IIRC, there were some larger machines which had a button for
every LUL station.

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:13:19 +0000, Graham Murray
wrote:

Paul Corfield writes:

I acknowledged this point but if you have any memory of the Tube prior
to zonal fares and I just about do then the old set up had arrays of
free standing single fare machine with huge signs above them saying
which stations for that fare. If you were very lucky you had a machine
with 10 buttons on it.

Also, IIRC, there were some larger machines which had a button for
every LUL station.

Well yes but they were part of the Underground Ticketing System
equipment. I was referring to the old stand alone machines in the middle
of ticket halls which printed the yellow oxide tickets.

My first "proper" job with LU involved creating and testing the ticket
machine data. As part of that I had to stand at a machine and press
every ticket combination on the multi fare machines, read out the fare
to the colleague who checked that it was right. You could say I've
bought a ticket from every station to every other one on the
Underground! You got rather sore fingers and arms ;-)

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:13:19 +0000, Graham Murray
wrote:

Paul Corfield writes:

I acknowledged this point but if you have any memory of the Tube prior
to zonal fares and I just about do then the old set up had arrays of
free standing single fare machine with huge signs above them saying
which stations for that fare. If you were very lucky you had a machine
with 10 buttons on it.

Also, IIRC, there were some larger machines which had a button for
every LUL station.

Well, those existed well into the zonal fare era, until they got replaced
by the touch-screen MFMs a few years ago.

I still rather miss them

In message , Paul Corfield
writes
I acknowledged this point but if you have any memory of the Tube prior
to zonal fares and I just about do then the old set up had arrays of
free standing single fare machine with huge signs above them saying
which stations for that fare.

Are there really no pictures of the old machines anywhere on the web?
A Google and a look at http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk didn't turn up any.

IIRC, they had the fare in huge print and the stations served by that
fare on the sloping glass top.

I did catch a few seconds of an old film, Seven Days to Noon, I think,
the other day. The hero chases the villain into the underground but has
to pause to buy a 1 1/2 d ticket!

--
Michael Parry
'The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret'
(Terry Pratchett, The Truth)

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In message , Paul Corfield
writes
I acknowledged this point but if you have any memory of the Tube prior
to zonal fares and I just about do then the old set up had arrays of
free standing single fare machine with huge signs above them saying
which stations for that fare.

Are there really no pictures of the old machines anywhere on the web?
A Google and a look at http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk didn't turn up any.

IIRC, they had the fare in huge print and the stations served by that
fare on the sloping glass top.

Oh yes there is

http://makeashorterlink.com/?N3F63287A

In message
Michael Parry wrote:

In message , Paul Corfield
writes
I acknowledged this point but if you have any memory of the Tube prior
to zonal fares and I just about do then the old set up had arrays of
free standing single fare machine with huge signs above them saying
which stations for that fare.

Are there really no pictures of the old machines anywhere on the web?
A Google and a look at http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk didn't turn up any.

IIRC, they had the fare in huge print and the stations served by that
fare on the sloping glass top.

That's how I remember them, the fare was in red and the machine itself was
painted blue. Fare bands were in increments of 3d (old pence). IIRC only
singles were available, no returns.

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

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Michael Parry wrote:

In message , Paul Corfield
writes
I acknowledged this point but if you have any memory of the Tube prior
to zonal fares and I just about do then the old set up had arrays of
free standing single fare machine with huge signs above them saying
which stations for that fare.

Are there really no pictures of the old machines anywhere on the web?
A Google and a look at http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk didn't turn up any.

IIRC, they had the fare in huge print and the stations served by that
fare on the sloping glass top.

That's how I remember them, the fare was in red and the machine itself was
painted blue. Fare bands were in increments of 3d (old pence). IIRC only
singles were available, no returns.



The increments were whatever applied at the time, probably was 3d at the
time of decimalisation.

Penny increments show in the LT Museum's 1948 photo.

View at http://makeashorterlink.com/?N3F63287A

Vaguely remember seeing an odd machine somewhere that wasn't just an
ordinary single, may have been a child single.

Jim Brittin wrote:
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says...
In message
Michael Parry wrote:

In message , Paul
Corfield writes
I acknowledged this point but if you have any memory of the Tube
prior to zonal fares and I just about do then the old set up had
arrays of free standing single fare machine with huge signs
above them saying which stations for that fare.

Are there really no pictures of the old machines anywhere on the
web? A Google and a look at http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk didn't turn
up any.

IIRC, they had the fare in huge print and the stations served by
that fare on the sloping glass top.

That's how I remember them, the fare was in red and the machine
itself was painted blue. Fare bands were in increments of 3d (old
pence). IIRC only singles were available, no returns.

The increments were whatever applied at the time, probably was 3d
at the time of decimalisation.

Penny increments show in the LT Museum's 1948 photo.

View at http://makeashorterlink.com/?N3F63287A

IIRC there are some at the LT Museum Depot (Acton Town). The next Open
Day there is 26/27 February. Not sure of the Museum itself has any.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

In message , Jim Brittin
writes
The increments were whatever applied at the time, probably was 3d at
the time of decimalisation.

Penny increments show in the LT Museum's 1948 photo.

View at http://makeashorterlink.com/?N3F63287A

Vaguely remember seeing an odd machine somewhere that wasn't just an
ordinary single, may have been a child single.

Oh yes, those are the ones, thanks. The tickets were green cardboard
when I first used them but soon changed to yellow with a magnetic
coating on the back that would operate the new barriers.

--
Michael Parry
'The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret'
(Terry Pratchett, The Truth)